I am levelling this now . Will they be nerfed befkre I get to 70 ?
I want to destroy people in WPvP
No, but it is rather telling that the same company who allowed classes like Druids to be awful for entire expansion packs buffed the ever loving bejesus out of ret paladins and took them from lower mid to top tier DPS.
As though they werenât already viable tanks and healers.
Of course the actual interesting metric is less that thereâs about 15k DPS between the worst and best specs, the interesting metric is that roughly 50k DPS separates the best and worst players in any given spec.
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Hunters and Mages? You have to be kidding. They both have immunities but Hunters have ONE heal on a long CD.
Hunters have a 40% dmg reduction, immunity, big self heal that can have CDR talented into it and either:
-Personal Rallying Shout
-10% Leech for free
-Freedom
If MM, they just get personal rallying shout.
Mages, I donât know how you need an explanation.
-Greater Invisibility/Invisibility
-Ice/Prismatic Barrier
-Mirror Image
-Chronoshift
-Blink talent for 6% shield by pressing the button
-Ice Block
In addition to their defensives, they also have access to the absolute best crowd control in the game.
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Lol youâre forgetting Hunterâs turtle doesnât get rid of any debuffs or DoTs, and often times youâll die while Turtleâd.
Especially to Rogues and Warlocks.
Also, you canât attack in Turtle either.
Compare that to paladinsâ bubbles, donât they have two of those as well? Completely invulnerable* (it can be removed with a dispel) and you can still attack!
Very different.
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One which if your talking pvp might aswell be 0 if your against a priest or warrior who can instantly remove it. Theres upsides and downsides to all the âimmunesâ.
In pve bubble is much better, in pvp turtle is better. Also though these lists are stupid. Like others have said look at overall boss damage and ret isnt on top except a fight it already was strong at etc.
NotâŚreally. They all share the downside of being purgeable by shattering throw or mass dispel. But, neither mages not hunters can attack while immuned, mages canât move while immuned, and hunters dont cleanse with immune. Theyâre not even remotely equivalent.
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Hunters and mages are also ranged with exceptional mobility and ccâs. Thats your trade off for not being able to attack.
Some of those specs really have a wide spectrum. Are the numbers based on people with the same item level and their performance?
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Iâm saying this as a ret main they need to buff another class. Iâm sick of my raid being 7 rets in a heroic run. Iâm mediocre at ret I admit but its a class I main. I hate flavor of the month classes. People who actually love their class get outshined by minmaxers it also makes it hard for any plate classes to get gear let alone paladins. Let the casters get some buffs as I havenât seen a lot of them lately just more melee.
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Heals bro. Everyone has defensives, On demand Heals is the difference. I guess youâve never played a Hunter who has nothing when Exhilaration is on CD.
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Yea i hope they buff underperformers tbh. Tho as a long time ret main i love how it feels now. Not like bfa-SL where i had to force myself to stay ret lol.
But, itâs also our tradeoff for not having a heal. What else are we trading off for the ability to play from range and get all the targetted mechanics? Even though most mages basically need to play melee in M+ to use a lot of their utility.
Yea and mages are 1000x tankier than they were in vanilla-wotlk and in any other game than wow.
Giving 1 class attackable immune cc and mobility plus damage is too much.
And still 100x less tanky than a ret. I think the hybrid tax is stupid, so why am I still paying the pure DPS tax?
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Divine shield is our only 100% immunity that can only be used by us. We also have:
- Hand of Protection-can be used on anyone and makes them immune to physical attacks while clearing same debuffs (bleeds)
and/or - Hand of Spellwarding (talent)-can be used on anyone and makes them immune to magic damage while clearing those debuffs.
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A cloth class should never be tankier than a ret the fact you said only 100x less is crazy. Your a mage one is a healing hybridâŚ
If. You. Are. A. Healing. Hybrid. Why. Are. You. Also. Top. DPS?
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Its called dampening bro. Stop arguing in bad faith.
Even w/o dampening a ret has to sacrifice dps to heal, and that heal wont keep you alive against a mage for instance. Also ret got hit pretty hard in pvp. But this list is a pve one, a list that is innacurate overall.
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How am I the one arguing in bad faith while youâre here saying STRAIGHT UP that ret is meant to be a hybrid DPS and claiming itâs âtotes fairâ that theyâre top DPS. You should either get to be a hybrid spec that pays the hybrid tax, or a DPS spec that doesnât get the benefit of being a hybrid spec. You shouldnât get to play GOD on a single spec, and soon enough Blizzard will realize it.
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