Retcon Calia, reverse Lightforged nonsense

For this game, 1-B. It’s very important to have good writing, but it doesn’t have to be perfect. They have to make something up to add something to the game, in this case players wanted Undead Paladins and they’re probably going to get them.

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Oh and drink.

It’s been a minute since I’ve seen that one.

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The Forsaken Racial identity doesn’t need to be overhauled … it just needs to be molded slightly to be AT LEAST more symbiotic with the Horde faction. To do this, they really only need two things: 1) For the “Alliance of Convenience with the Primitive Races of the Horde” concept to finally die. They need to be a part of the Horde truly, not just a passenger; and 2) A leader that unambiguously is invested in their future as a PEOPLE (which has never been Sylvanas sadly).

This COULD however be Blightcaller. Whatever else you want to say about him, the guy has shown several times he is at least somewhat invested in their future as a race. His training of the Human/Forsaken Dark Rangers was meant to represent their future (as well as their past); and all throughout BfA its been very hard to ignore that he seems to (at the very least) believe that Sylvie’s vision of the future is INCLUSIVE of both him and the Forsaken (even if not the Horde).

But, he’s Sylvie’s dog right now … and that would have to change…

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Asking is not the same as whining and crying.

I see no crying going on in this thread.

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Of course! They’re just hiding.

Akston, you just need to look harder.

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Of course you don’t. That wouldn’t support your pov.

Sorta like seeing anyone discussing something you don’t want them to discuss, are automatically “crying”…because that supports your pov. :smiley:

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Because lightforged undead as an idea or reality doesn’t need strong arguments when ingame lore already does my arguing for me.

Light does not make ANYTHING UNDEAD EVER. This is the very first time. Other magics like shadow and unholy were used. Impossibility. Not only this, you even state that it hurts undead to use light. Imagine the absolute disassociating and traumatizing pain of being fused with it. Lightforged human? fine. Lightforged draenei? fine. Lightforged anything alive? fine. They had to choose undead? Undead?

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Hey, hey, guess what

Blizzard writes the lore.

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I would be very surprised if Calia replaces Sylvanas as a racial leader since she has been very pro alliance. I mean if they do that, and not have a horde NPC switch factions, would it be a slap in the face.

I could see alliance forsaken, with Uther raised as a counterpart to Nathanos and Sylvanas. After all the Humans had finally come to terms with the forsaken until the war started.

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Baine already switched factions.

There should be no core races switching sides.

I don’t want undead night elves on Horde.

I don’t want humans on Horde.

There shouldn’t be Forsaken on Alliance.

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I hate it when someone says this, implying Blizzard is different from any other creator of story, immune to criticism because this is their property. Guess what, even if I didn’t pay for the game, my criticism is nail on head valid.

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They’ve shown in the book that many undead, people from Lordaeron would respect her as her leader if she chose to. She is a Menethil and they would bow down to her given the choice. The council of Sylvanas “betrayed” her in the book and wanted to join Calia, which is how she died and how Sylvanas killed her own Council.

I mostly agree, I think the biggest mistake regarding the Forsaken narrative is that we really haven’t seen a gradual arc of the Forsaken slowly being better integrated into the Horde shown, there are some snippets here and there(like BTS shining a light on the close relationship between the Forsaken and the tauren) but for the most part, the Forsaken feel like a separate faction within a faction. Which I guess they are, but you’d think after 10-15 years Forsaken wouldn’t have separate hubs and almost exclusively wear Forsaken emblems and armor, but they do.

I’m fine with Forsaken maintaining and preserving their culture and heritage, especially considering both Thalyssra and Lor’themar see it as a strength of the Horde. I still want them to have an edge, which I don’t think will be possible with Calia. I think Nathanos is really the only logical replacement for Sylv post-BFA. No one else deserves the position or cares more about the Forsaken.

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No it’s not.

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Very convincing.

It’s 100% as convincing as your initial argument.

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Your post is literally saying “you’re wrong” with no argument vs mine with references to the lore, pre existing themes, and a substantial argument.

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Nathanos definitly will die before Sylvanas unless he’s the one backstabbing her… I think we will see how the forsaken story arc will go. And it could make them more accepted in the Horde or we could have a faction of them joining the Alliance a bit how void elves came to them.