So let me get this straight, if say this was a horde NPC that was written in a book and brought into the game, everything is A-OK. But if it’s an alliance NPC that we didn’t know if they were alive or dead till Legion then written in a book and finally brought into the game light and was an Alliance NPC you scream bloody murder and tell blizz to retcon or remove.
Listen people, not once in the history of this game have we seen an Alliance NPC written in a book, or their story in said book in the game. Varian’s return wasn’t even in told in game, only a comic. So for once give the Alliance something in game.
I don’t see anyone complaining about factions, or at least I’m not. The problem is that she’s undead, and light? The light revives people, the unholy makes them undead. The light doesn’t make undead. It doesn’t make sense, and it’s FORCED in order to relate her in any way to the Forsaken. Which is weird, because Forsaken is in their name. It’s almost like the whole book wanted to unforsake the forsaken, which is utter destruction of lore. “oh we coulda been good guys the whole time, we definitely weren’t supposed to accept our grim situation”
See, that’s my question. We had, what, two priests and a Naaru with a relatively fresh corpse. Why was she raised as undead rather than just resurrected?
It’s funny people keep whining about lore. Blizzard writes the lore. Blizzard is the lore. If they say that a way was discovered to make light forged undead, guess what’s now lore.
Actually, the Forsaken are a product of the Fel and Death domains (the ones since Cata are more Arcane and Death domains). Death is also NOT really the opposite of Light, its the oppositional force to the LIFE domain. Also, the Light doesn’t revive people. It heals people, but its never brought someone back from the dead in canon.
Stating facts is fun. I’m a customer of Blizzard games. I like the lore. If I don’t like the lore, why would I feel happy paying to be slapped in the face?
I think someone like Calia would compromise and whitewash the identity of the Forsaken. Besides, it’s actually canon that most of the Forsaken did not support the events of the Wrathgate and as for GIlneas…well, they were (mostly) following the orders of their lawful Warchief, the usage of the blight aside.
I do agree that after 15 years or so the Forsaken should evolve beyond the mindset of “death to the living” but Calia is not a solution towards that. She would add nothing to the Forsaken, and she certainly doesn’t deserve to lead them at all after an extended absence of years away from them. Calia is the deadbeat parent the Forsaken neither want or need, and her as their leader would weaken their standing and presence in the Horde even less. Her affiliation to Anduin is far too strong for my liking.
I’ve been saving all my salt for Calia. I make my own.
Technicly I wouldn’t classify undead and Calia in the same boat. She’s has been ressurected by the light, a bit what would have happen if Illidan accepted the light offer. While undead are reanimated by dark magic, which obviously doing about the same they are very different. Calia basicly became Goku from Dragonball and obtained by doing that her super sayan form.
This is the problem is how many followed the events that made her. That is what I’m some what trying to point out. I understand it’s a whole new concept but we have seen what the light is capable of doing since Legion. At one time we only had the story as black and white, Light can only do this, Necrotic/Fel can only do this. We are now seeing that isn’t the case.
So in reality it’s not to far fetched. If this was a horde NPC having this treatment, how much outcry would there been?
Light conflicts with undead only in the sense that it hurts them when they use it/are attacked by it. Nowhere has it ever been written in the history of ever that they can’t wield it, or that they can’t be Lightforged. The Lightforging thing itself is a new concept, so we have little information as to what is and isn’t possible with that process—and how it changes an undead. You just don’t have facts to refute Lightforged undead.
If you mean it conflicts thematically, well, that’s just an opinion. I think it fits right in that the Forsaken were once people who put their faith in the Light when it was easy to do so—now, their challenge, and perhaps only hope for personal redemption, is to put their faith in the Light once more, when it’s difficult and bleak to do so.
The new canon established in the chronicle is that light and shadow magic are functionally similar. They are just on opposite ends of the spectrum (if we can even call it a spectrum)
The forsaken as we knew them were raised up with shadow-based death magic, but Calia is an undead raised up with light-based death magic.
A Resurrection is the perfect rejoining of a soul to its body. There is no magical buffer between soul and body after a Resurrection, but with the undead the rejoining is flawed and there is an aspected magical buffer tethering the soul to the body.
True Resurrection is a legendary feat to pull off canonically. The legion had been pulling it off to an extent by harnessing the soul of a nascent titan.
With traditional undead the body will slowly continue to decay without the use of alchemical concoctions and/or more dark magic to restore and sustain the body in that way. I suspect Calia’s state of being is equal and opposite, though if she is suffused with light as well as just being forged by it, she will likely not decay.
It is my understanding now that Death magic can be paired with all of the greater cosmic forces to achieve some form of necromancy.
Light: Calia Menethil
Void: Most recently, undead void raptors in Zuldazar incursion
Life. Unlikely, being the polar opposite of Death magic
Arcane: Kel’thuzad (pre-lich)
Fel: Gul’dan reanimating Mannoroth in HFC
Death: Self explanatory
