I wouldn’t be surprised if they bring him back if they do the whole Shadowlands theme.
You can’t just say that the endeavor of refuting Lightforged undead doesn’t need arguments because that is just your opinion. You can’t argue that water will make whatever it touches wet, because that is a fact, but you can argue whether Fiji water is better than Dasani because that is all about taste and opinion. You’re saying the undead shouldn’t be Lightforged because you don’t like it, that’s your opinion, and I’m saying they can be Lightforged because we literally just got a Lightforged undead, which is a fact.
But anyway, the concept of ensuing pain that is associated with wielding the Light, being welded together by the Light, and having the Light infusing an undead, is so awesome to me. Because, despite that they’re hurting, they’re constantly fighting through the pain to see justice through on Azeroth. That is badassery at 100%.
Also, imagine the willpower required to wield the Light in this way, or to become a Lightforged undead. There is literally a racial called Will of the Forsaken. I mean, come on. It fits right in. They’re using their will to cope with the pain of the Light in their bodies in order to be heroes.
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Other than in Before the Storm, what defections are you talking about? It’s not defecting for members of the Horde to work with the Alliance to put into place a new Warchief. It would be defecting if their goal was for the Alliance to take over.
If she came out to lead her “people” before her training with Faol, she would’ve been killed by Sylvanas or by the Forsaken loyal to her. Hell, even after her training she ends up getting killed by Sylvanas. To help her people, Calia has to be careful. I’m not saying I like her storyline, but her actions so far have made sense both logically and morally.
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dude, she showed that the forsaken aren’t mindlessly following Sylvanas and do have thoughts of their own. and at least some what to go back to a somewhat normal life, seeing as how the forsakens last big lore development was in WotLK were they plague bombed the other races and Sylvanas tried to kill herself and found out what hell was really like, id say that wasn’t a waste.
might not be your cup of tea but the story showed forsaken aren’t mindless, showed they they can/could get along with the alliance, and that there was already a divide between Syvlanas and her own people not just the horde in general like we’re seeing now.
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They have been breaking their own Lore since Warlords. I expect this trend to continue.
The “various formats” is what I use to cover a variety of methods.
Like Baine killing members of the Horde to do a favor for Jaina.
Like Saurfang allowing himself to be arrested, and not deciding to fight back against Sylvanas until Anduin told him to.
I don’t care.
You don’t get to claim “royal birthright” just because its easier for you now. When you are a royal, you don’t get to pick and choose which times everyone must bow to you as monarch, based on things being tough.
When things were tough, she LOLNOPE’d out. She abandoned her people. Suddenly now she is like “HEY GUYS. REMEMBER ME. I AM THE RIGHTFUL LEADER”.
She lost her ability to call herself the rightful leader when she ran away and hid while her people needed her.
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It used to be where the Forsaken never mindlessly followed Sylvanas and it was their choice, and not mindlessly following someone is why they didn’t like the Lich King. The story of the book didn’t give a new perspective on forsaken, it took its original perspective and said, “no, it’s this now, they’re actually oppressed now”
Have a nice night.
Do not accuse me of arguing for no reason as you excuse yourself from a lack of points.
Calia got redeemed in death and getting reborn in the light.
Thats as jesus as she can get.
And she is going to need it to fix what the forsaken have become.
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you mean like how they have you kill redpath in the starter zone simply because he doesn’t follow Sylvanas?
there was no choice, it’s always been oppression
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Do you know why they became that?
Because Calia abandoned them.
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Well she tried to help them and then Sylvanas killed her.
Now Calia gets a second chance without the DARK LADY trying to stop her.
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There was always a choice. The raising is a gift from Sylvanas and her resources. Take the gift, come back in her service, or go back to death. Death is there. It’s where you belong if you don’t pledge loyalty to the person who used their power to raise you. If you think this is unfair, we can talk about how paying taxes are too.
But what about the time period before that?
Where Calia abandoned her people?
And was off hiding?
All Lordaeron citizens ran away from the northern kingdoms.
Calia followed them.
I am not sure what she could have done for the Forsaken themselves by the time they became conscious they had already become subjects of Sylvanas.
Besides Calia was only a child with a broken kingdom. Not sure how she was supposed to deal with it.
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I wasn’t going to take the bait, but yeah.
You’ve been given points, from both Chronicle and in-game, yet refuse to accept or acknowledge them. So there’s no point in continuing the conversation.
Like I said, have a good night.
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Calia is what…in her 40s?
She is old enough to have reappeared long before now if she truly cared about her people.
But the plot didn’t ask for it 
Now it does so… things are gonna happen.
Sylvanas is not a regent, and Lordaeron’s people pledged themselves to a new leader. The old line of Menethils holds no power over Sylvanas’ kingdom, which was put together with her efforts and no one else’s. Calia doesn’t have anything to usurp if Sylvanas never brought the Forsaken together.
A Menethil ruined the kingdom, a Windrunner rebuilt it.
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