you said a DEV clarified what ion said about addons such as LFG addon. what did that dev say? im honestly wondering. i didnt hear of this.
Seriously man. You are going to have to link it.
I looked a bit but do you understand how much crap I’ve posted on this forum in the last few hours… alot. It is already giving me warnings that I can’t like anymore post.
I have run out of hearts. WTH.
you said a DEV clarified what ion said about such addons that might go against what classic is about. and you said addons like LFg addon would stay basically. im wondering what the dev said. can you link me to a post or video of that, thanks. . i thought maybe you lied about this.
Here is a transcript of part of a video:
I’ll try to find the video. Hold on a sec.
I can’t post external links. But it is this:
www twitch tv/videos/470797597
The trasncript starts at about 2 hours 30 minutes. The question/answer is about addons that arn’t ‘in the spirit of classic’.
people defending the LFG addon
It’s a chat parser, you nutjob. All it does is read and post to chat on your behalf. Even people who don’t use the mod will be listed appropriately within the interface.
Saying “LFHealer for SFK then good to go” Will create a listing for SFK with only the healer slot open.
It is literally just an interface for all the spam in chat so we don’t have to see guild recruitment, terrible jokes and other unrelated BS while trying to find a group.
Anyone getting upset over this mod is an absolute dimwit.
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it adds you to a group as well, more then a chat parser
Auto invite has been around since the dawn of time.
You will also NEVER use auto invite when forming a group for any PvE content because it’s not matchmaking… It doesn’t give you what you’re looking for, if auto-invite is turned on it will invite ANYONE who whispers you the keyword, regardless of whether they fit your groups needs or not.
Complete non-issue.
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It doesn’t just consolidate /2 like people would have you believe. From my understanding, you post your group to this addon, it is then listed within the interface, and other players with the addon can see it and ask to join your group. At the same time, you can select a channel that you want the addon to spam your group in for you. At the same time, the addon will comb through all chat channels in all layers searching for posts that match your group (I.e. “Mage LFG Deadmines”) and notify you. The addon allows you to find replacements without leaving the dungeon. In fact, this is one of their pitches. The goal is to make finding groups much much easier. The downside of this is that there is actually a cost to having groups be easy to find. If there are any problems in the run (and people will run into problems), people will be more likely to leave the group to find another, or kick an underperforming member and quickly find another using the addon. This may sound good at first, but you must realize that social connections are formed during these challenges. These force you to communicate. The downtime allows you to socialize. Overcoming the challenge after all the struggle bonds the members of the group. This will happen less frequently (its hard to know how much less frequently) if this addon is used. If it’s used widely, it will have a bigger impact. It’s not AS BAD as retail’s lfg. But it does damage.
Or vegans whinging about steaks at a butcher shop lol
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If your best argument is “BUT THEY DONT HAVE TO MAKE SOMEONE HEARTH TO FIND A REPLACEMENT!” I’m afraid you’ve already lost.
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HS is one of the things. Searching for groups automatically without you looking for one in the list is the second. And the third is the automated invite and accepting. Plus the more toxic community as a result of the easier replacements.
But fourth one is the most important - your opinion who won/lost the argument is relevant, it’s for Blizz to decide that.
seems like you dont have a real response to me. i win.
Here are the reason I don’t think ClassicLFG is ‘bad.’
The primary things wrong with Retail don’t have anything to do with what ClassicLFG does.
What is wrong with Retail (in terms of LFD/LFR) is that the supply of players is huge, making players disposable. This, combined with very easy content and classes being homogeneous, means no individual player matters. Anyone will do.
In Retail we have:
- cross realms. This increases the supply of players, decreasing individual value
- teleport to dungeon. There is no locality. The entire supply of players is available from all locations.
In classic neither of these things are true. The supply of players is restricted to your location or the dungeon location. If you invite someone that isn’t nearby then you will have to wait for them to come to the dungeon/quest/whatever.
Also the supply of players is restricted to your server, not cross realms.
The huge supply of players in Retail is what devalues players. ClassicLFG isn’t working in this environment.
As well Classic retains ‘challenging’ content and real class identity unlike retail.
ClassicLFG simplifies the LFG chat channel and the communication of players looking for groups. Since Classic at its core doesn’t have the same commoditized players like Retail does, the streamlined interface of ClassicLFG (even with auto invite) doesn’t cause the same problems.
Now even though layers do increase the supply of players, that does not have anything to do with ClassicLFG. And layers shouldn’t be too prevalent past the initial launch period.
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I hate retail and not for a second I don’t think we can’t ship stuff over to make the game better overall with out breaking the game in half
I don’t think I’ve ever had a problem with LFG but I’d have LFD and LFR removed from retail if I could
Maybe it isnt as bad as i thought, but still i would rather not have it then have it in game.
Honestly. No body knows what impact it will have. I don’t know. But it is something to talk (rage) about. So here we are.
No, it’s worse. Far worse. There was no such thing in vanilla and anyone that played knows that. This is a guild killer. People won’t think to join guilds or work at common goals, they’ll simply use LFG and we’ll end up with what we do now- a whole slew of individuals not really able to function socially or as a unit. I’ve been bopped on my healer ONCE this expac in BGs. Once. The selfish attitude spreads right across the board and does nothing for one of the Ms in MMO
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What would you say to zysis when he thinks its a guild killer. Wich it very well potentially could be. I could see that…
This would be a godsend in my opinion, as the quality of discussion here would immediately improve.
Well first I think much of the content still requires a bit of organization to get through. It is definitely possible to PUG through dungeons and even many raids in classic. But it ain’t gonna be pretty.
If more tools like ClassicLFG come on the scene to organize people then yeah you might see more content being completed by adhoc groups.
However, it won’t ever be as efficient or enjoyable as a guild. And for many (if not most) guilds are NOT about content. They are about making friends and hanging out with friends. A community within the community.
If a ClassicLFG or some other tool makes your guild disband, then the guild probably wasn’t worth having in the first place.
EDIT: I gotta sleep. Aloha y’all