“This opinion doesn’t reinforce my own, therefore I must discard it or question my own.”
Roger.
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The fact of the matter is, Classic WoW (all 3) is a different game with the same setting and backstory.
Someone trying Retail having never gone past Wrath finds it completely alien. I know because I’ve had friends in Classic who stopped before MoP then went and tried Retail recently and can’t even work out how the game went from “Here” to “There”.
They’re completely different games, and you shouldn’t be surprised that the majority of players in Retail have no interest in Classic.
Yep. also apples and oranges. Weak on dates for that pick, also not seeing the raid but…that seems to be BFA off the 2-3 year date on reddit post
if say season 3 is live and its a season 1 or 2 raid…lfr is dead for old seasons. no brainer there.
Classic has good gear still viable in “old raid”. BT runs will happen till the 15 minute shutdown warning of wrath patch. some on illidan in that 15 minutes…will try like hell to drop him for one last glaive try.
also has master loot. nice funneling there.
Retail…scales gear. Nothing from season 1 or 2 is BIS in season 3. Season 2 gets raid io clearance to season 3, about it.
retail has no master loot. No gear funnel.
and also unlike classic…even season 4 to come gear will be trash not even 2 hours into 10.0 start.
this is why if one is hoping for older raid hits in lfr in retail…hahahahahaha. even mog hunters like me know to get missed CN mogs we are waiting till 11.0. not 10. 11. scaling and all that crap.
I get why people spam BT,ZA and SWP. these will be jumping till wrath. that gear cna carry them to level 75 if not 80.
not in retail. They make BOE greens better. at assumed level 62 (no re-squish planes mentioned yet) retail will give a weapon to make make season 4 mythic trash. way it is now.
I could carry a player to get at leat mythic EN and NH in legion to deck out
a level 50. full slots all mythic. and a crafted green a level 50 can wear is better in SL.
That is raid finder.
But I agree the time in queue for DPS for heroics might be high.
Still, the alternative of not having it is a lot of time LF for a tank spamming on LFG and hoping that someone will either see it or have LFG bulletin board installed and monitoring who is LF a tank.
At least, with LFD, you can queue for it and still go do something else while you’re up in the queue.
I’m retail player and I’m going to play WoTLK Classic.
a LOT of retail players are coming back. Check Acherus discord (Death Knight discord, partnered). There are dedicated sessions Wrath Classic and people already discussing it, getting ready for beta testing and theorycrafting.
In regards of LFD (you said RFD), it is not a deal breaker. At the beginning tanks will be running with their fellow friends instead running LFD. LFD will become critical after maybe a month, when everyone is already geared enough to not need to run Heroics all the time. That is when it will start hurting, for people playing with alts and new players arriving. Those will spend a lot more time looking for a group instead of actually playing the game.
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208 comments in and nobody knew I was talking about Razorfen Downs (Fixing that typo now)
Well, basically, when the initial hype cools down, LFD would help to keep up things for new players / alts.
That happened on TBC and will happen again.
If it is, the time for DPS to troll LFG looking for a tank will be higher.
Its not the forming of the group that people are talking about, its being in the group with people from your server.
I have made a lot of friends over my time in WoW that started with a dungeon group. If I do a group in LFD, the people in my group will most likely be on a different server. No matter how positive of a interaction I have with them, I’ll most likely never see them again.
When people say LFD hurts the community, that is what they mean. Not the formation of the group.
I find this hilarious. I used to tank LFD even when I didn’t need any drop (mostly for enchanting mats and badges). I was very well known in the battlegroup (yes, LFD worked cross-realm within the battlegroup).
It was very common to meet people time and time again, and I had a very good reputation as tank. Made friends cross-realm and even got offers to transfer for another realm (back then I was the top #1 BDK on the realm I used to play - gear + progression) through those interactions.
Do you know how much times I played again with the same people I did dungeons throughout TBC (excluding actual friends and guildies)?
Playing on huge servers decreases the likelihood that you play with those people.
Plus, you don’t have to use LFD should it come out. You can simply build your own group with your friends, maintain your community.
Even in vanilla on a large realm I basically never pugged with the same person twice.
So yeah I never saw that awesome tight knit community some people claim chat pugging creates. And which lack of LFD is certainly not creating in classic.
First, I understand you can still make relationships in LFD, but to sit here and say that it is just as likely as playing with people from your server is just false.
Second, this is such a weak argument that has been shot down so many times, I honestly don’t know why you bring it up.
Also because people can’t seem to understand this. I’m not against LFD, I’m just pointing out flaws in your argument for it.
It isn’t.
You literally can build your own group and don’t use LFD. If you have a guild and friends, you rely 0% on LFD.
Like I said, after the initial month the only people complaining about LFD will be those leveling alts and the new / returning players, because after the big herd got to max level/geared, they will run less dungeons/heroics, just like on TBC.
It really is. I’ll use cars as an example.
I like walking more then driving my car. I could walk to work every day and not use my car, but cars are so efficient that I use my car because of the time I save each day.
LFD is kinda the same if it gets added. Even people that don’t like it will be forced to use it if they are not forming groups with their guild/friends.
But if most people prefer cars why is this a problem?
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You could use a bike too.
If you live near your job, you don’t need a car.
And some people drive up to 30-40 miles a day to get to work. A car would still be better. But I’m not going to sit here and waste time talking about a topic that has been discussed countless times on these forums.
The idea of “If you don’t like LFD, just don’t use it.” is flawed. If you are pushing to have LFD added to the game there are so many better arguments you can make.
It makes finding groups easier.
It makes leveling easier.
It helps people that are playing on lower pop.
It cuts out the toxicity of people not wanting to take classes they think are “memes”
It is what most of the community wants.
Tell me you’ve never played Wrath without telling me you’ve never played wrath…
LoL
Yikes
I raided with a guild for 3 years that started because I met two members of it from RDF.