Back in Vanilla, alliance had hour long queues and horde had instant queues. I played horde as a result. Then in Burning Crusade alliance had instant queues and horde had 30 minute queues, simply because so many players rolled blood elves. On my BC PVP server, I couldn’t move 10 feet playing alliance without being killed. I play horde and alliance. My first 60 in vanilla was horde, then I had a couple of alliance 60s. I did end up playing alliance in battle grounds, but it took forever just to get to 70.
This issue is as old as wow itself. Stop pretending to know anything about this game if you don’t understand population impacts. Be a big boy and roll alliance if you want instant queues. These tears are comical. No one cares that you played on a private server.
10,000% this. The addition of Blood Elves, arguably the “prettiest” playable race in WoW, shifted the population domination towards the Horde side by a significant margin. It also doesn’t help that they’re the only Horde race with access to paladin, a class known for its immense utility. I mained a Belf Pally all throughout Wrath and I can safely say that Belfs made up at least 50% of the Horde’s entire population. Lol
What are you talking about? Private server players rolled alliance in Classic banking on the fast queue times.
This was discussed at length among the pserver community leading up to Classic launch.
People absolutely knew that for a multitude of reasons a huge portion of the player base would be horde.
What they did not forsee was Blizzard allowing free transfers off slightly horde favored PvP servers as early as Phase 1 which created really oppressive faction balance on the origin and newly created servers.
Retail is grossly horde dominate. People rolled horde in Classic as a result. Be it to play with friends or because it’s what they’re familiar with or for the racials in PvP.
The other distinguishing factor that private server players knew was going to happen was that alliance players would be more PvE oriented due to paladins.
The disparity is being amplified again because retail hasn’t seen a patch in like a year now and a bunch of retail players are playing TBC because it’s free with their sub and it’s new content to grind.
They will start raid logging or flat out quit playing within a month.
People are freaking out over BG queues when a huge portion of the casual player base is barely even hitting 70.
TBC is a raid logging expansion. Chill out and give it time. Original TBC saw a lot of fall out from people waiting on Black Temple and now that the entire game is solved and mapped out it will only happen at a more impactful rate for n Classic TBC.
That could help. I would actually boost an alliance.
Population imbalance has always been an issue. This is nothing new. Roll alliance ce for fast queues. This toon was my first alliance 60 and first alliance 70. My first 60 was an orc shaman and first 70 was a belf paladin. I race changed this dude on a whim after unlocking nightbourne - a stupid move i know.
You described nothing about retail players, any player returning that didn’t play private can have those thoughts. Again, you’re using Retail as a broad generalization of a type of player that can’t be simply locked down like that, life isn’t that simple, ever.
screw the horde queue whiners. they wanted to zerg a faction to get benefits, they have all the zones towers 100% of the time. I could give af if they had 24 hour pvp queue.
Ah, another thread where OP’s narrative is “obvious”. Dude, pretending that horde dominated servers weren’t inevitable in classic is absolutely delusional.
The horde overpopulation is absolutely a player created issue in both classic and retail, why the hell do you think mercenary mode was introduced? The odds have always been stacked against alliance because the horde races have always been more appealing to the vast majority of players.
The only exception here has been the few instances/seasons where arena meta was alliance and competitive pvpers swapped alliance.
The largest private servers are a drop in the bucket compared to classic.
You can’t use their populations as meaning anything.
If you had actually read the post, instead of jumping to conclusions, you’d realize I’ve referring to the private servers that preceded Classic WoW, and gave birth to it (NOST Era Servers). These servers are long gone.
And yes, actually you can, because that was the relevant data before classic wow launched in August 2019.
Get over yourself. There were just as many alliance raids roaming areas where people quested at 52-60 for that sweet sweet honor. The faction disparity wasn’t and isn’t as bad as people think. Horde flight paths were camped by alliance, Thunderbluff elevators were taken over by raids with priests to mind control. Phase 2 wasn’t a one-sided slaughter of Alliance. I play horde on Whiteman and Alliance on Thunderfury, and I saw plenty of the same on both sides. The difference is when I log on to Alliance, all I see is people complaining about Horde racials and LF PvP premades because they’re afraid to solo queue because they lose their insta-queue games.
Why should anyone care about people who never played real wow and hopped from private servers to classic? You pretending retail doesn’t exist, as a minority, doesn’t mean that everyone else did. Most private servers had tiny populations. Like less than 20k for the most populated ones. Classic had like 2m at launch. Most of those people are retailers. We all knew better.
This is just ignorant on the TBC side of things. TBC Pservers have struggled A LOT to try to balance the alliance side, offering honor/exp/etc. kind of boosts, it never mattered, horde was always the dominant faction.
Sir, as a use-to-be-avid private server enthusiast, you couldn’t be more wrong. All tbc servers generally ended up being 20-30% Ally and 70-80% horde. The most balanced server out there was netherwing. Netherwing ended up at 16-84% after they caved and removed faction specific queues. The alliance died and thus the entire server died, because no one wants to play tbc with a faction imbalance like that.
Please take your shenanigans and your lies elsewhere.
PS: I’ve played private servers since late tbc until classic was launched. I hate retail and I’ve hated it since cata.
