Re-rolling or them quitting is literally the only solution to the problem they created themselves which only affects themselves.
So say all alliance shift to another server, like what happened in retail, and every server eventually ends up a pve server for one faction. My old server, stormscale, was pretty even or at leaat felt even in tbc and wrath. I quit mid wrath and came back in mop and alliance side was a ghost town, then it got connected with other alliance ghost town servers. Eventually i found my old guild on sargeras which was a pve server for alliance. Now with warmode it doesnt matter.
Fairbanks was 60/40 then 65/35 towards the end of classic and now its 75/25.
But you knew it and still rolled horde. You just said you played alliance on private servers, but now those alliance went horde. Why. Why. Just roll alliance like a big boy.
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I haven’t touched retail in years, it’s the horde players who want Merc mode and other retail designs. Dare I say, “gO BaCk tO ReTail” to all the horde on here? Quit complaining and re roll . If you horde had half a brain you would of foreseen this issues arising like a lot of PvP players on the Alliance did.
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This isn’t even bootlicking anymore. This guy swallowed the entire damn boot.
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No one cares about private server cred. Stop.
People who think it’s ok for horde or alliance to wait in a 45min queue to get into a bg As a norm should never ever be game designers, they would go bankrupt instantly.
But you knew it and still rolled horde. You just said you played alliance on private servers, but now those alliance went horde. Why. Why. Just roll alliance like a big boy.
I think you lack reading comprehension, I never said that.
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People who think it’s ok for horde or alliance to wait in a 45min queue to get into a bg As a norm should never ever be game designers, they would go bankrupt instantly.
This issue has allowed both trolls and those of [REDACTED] to infiltrate the forums. Also lots of Schadenfreude, which is quite sad, if you ask me.
Constructive feedback? Ok.
Make your realm a place where the players of the low population faction (be it horde or alliance) not only WANT to stay, but maybe even roll their new character on that realm as the low population faction or want to transfer to your realm instead of away from it.
Want a different solution? Roll a character as the under populated faction or realm transfer. Players have been asking for paid faction swap. This is basically the same thing, but better. Find a new realm where your faction is a small and shrinking percentage and pay to transfer to that realm.
And yes, I did do that. My cousin and I (and it turns out a large chunk of the remaining alliance players) left our classic realm which had an overwhelming horde population. We landed on a new realm that supposedly had pretty close to 50/50 split. Then TBC prep patch released. Now the realm is no better than the one we left. Worse, even. Leveling was unbearably slow. Every quest hub, every zone, every summon stone and instance entrance was a sea of red names. What should have taken minutes to complete a quest took hours.
So we hopped to a new realm again. I transferred my boosted character and my cousin rolled a brand new character. This was about a week ago, and he’s already lv45 with max professions. This new realm has a slight alliance advantage, for a change. If that changes though, and we feel like we’re not having fun on that realm? Well, rolling brand new characters is still on the table.
Oh, and inb4 “I’m. It a sweaty try-hard with unlimited time”. I work two jobs and help take care of my kid with my spouse. My playtime is limited to about 4hrs per night, for 3 days per week. At least until I go back to day shift, then it will be less.
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Oh, and inb4 “I’m. It a sweaty try-hard with unlimited time”. I work two jobs and help take care of my kid with my spouse. My playtime is limited to about 4hrs per night, for 3 days per week. At least until I go back to day shift, then it will be less.
This TBH. I feel for your struggles. It’s the same thing on these forums. Look at some of the people I’ve bounced back and forth with. Nonstop trolling/bait/lies to try to derive pleasure out of my misfortune.
It’s the people who are sweaty try-hards with unlimited time that take pleasure in the “normies” misfortune.
It can also be horde players doing it back to alliance players. Work both ways. But in sum, it’s really sad that you see people behaving this way. As I said earlier, I’m surprised this one other fellow that was baiting nonstop hasn’t been banned on the forums by now, as all they were doing was nonstop instigating according to their post history.
Limited playtime players ask for real solutions, and don’t take lightly to the super obvious trolls who are just here to start conflicts and harass others.
Wait…is THAT what the queue times are? Is THAT what all the fuss is about? 45min? Are you kidding me?!?
Here I was thinking it was like back. In vanilla TBC where queue times got up to 4-5hrs at one point, or maybe back to vanilla wow before Blizzard implemented cross-realm battlegrounds and queue times were like 8hrs minimum (except for AV kind of, which would only have a short queue time because it practically never ended).
Seriously though. When classic released there were a TON of players who would make fun of retail players for crap like this. “Retail players be like—‘Always have to have your reward RIGHT NOW. Always have to rush to complete everything. No time to enjoy the game, gotta hit end-game content yesterday!’ “
Now look at you all. Don’t have instant BG queues and it’s automatically QQ all over the place.
Alliance has instant queues though.
I played Vanilla and TBC, and by the time cross-realm BG’s rolled around queue times were very, very short.
I think you’re misunderstanding what you quoted. Despite having so little playtime, I’m still playing the game (and doing what I can to have fun with it). That meant having to realm hop TWICE because of overwhelming horde population griefing people leveling.
Like I mentioned in my post, what should take nearly no time at all took hours. Had I leveled horde or on an alliance dominated realm honestly I would be 70 by now instead of only 66 (almost 67).
While there definitely are trolls (the wow forums have had trolls since vanilla…don’t hold your breath for that to change) it’s not surprising to see players upset that the people who have had it so easy on the road to 70 are now whining about waiting 45min for a BG. (Seriously? I would have loved to have 45min queue times in vanilla wow/TBC)
One of the first principles of debate is that it doesn’t matter who is making the argument. The argument stands of falls of its own merit. In the case of the queue situation having been avoidable based off player choices alone, it totally was. So, the argument stands. By the way, if private servers are so great you can always go back.
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(Seriously? I would have loved to have 45min queue times in vanilla wow/TBC)
This makes me think you are a troll, or you just don’t remember.
BG queues in TBC were probably 10 minutes tops. It was cross realm by that point, and the A to H ratio was way more generous than it is now. There were also probably, probably, more players than there are now.
You’re comparing your small pop private server experience to live Blizzard servers.
You’re ignoring the qol features given to Horde to help with the queue times that were climbing as more players started to go Horde.
You’re ignoring the fact that Classic doesn’t have merc mode so obviously Horde will have higher queues due to the popularity of the Horde now.
Times changed and it went over your head.
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Alliance has instant queues, but has to deal with a sea of red names at every raid entrance, farming location, and quest hub.
Choose which you would rather deal with. And honestly, leveling fresh isn’t as long as it used to be. Xp to level has been reduced dramatically. Tons of amazing low level gear (twink level gear, to be honest) is on AH for dirt cheap right now.
At the beginning of TBC sure, but there were many lulls in the game (maybe new raid content or arena season) but my battle group struggled with BG queues. Like, maybe two BGs in a 14hr day kind of deal (ahhhh back when I had that kind of time).
No I would say both sides know exactly what they are talking about. Assuming is always a mistake and you have assumed one side (that happens to differ from you) does now know what they are saying.
First I will start off with the issue of faction balance and that the Horde players complaining about queue times are not wrong. They are very long queue times and it definitely takes away a lot of the fun of doing BGs. Because of this they are asking for changes that were not part of the game design of the era Blizzard has recreated. Asking for changes is not a bad thing, but you must also understand for every change someone wants there is someone else who is opposed to that same change.
Now we get to the people who are telling BC Classic players that they knew going in how bad this would be. That is definitely a fact. This was discussed heavily on these forums during p2 of Classic. It was joked that faction balance for BC Classic would be even worse than current (p2 of Classic) and as bad as 99% Horde. Players were camped, summon stones were impossible, and world buffs were constantly lost if you were Alliance. Alliance players had to log on hours before the raid just to get into the raid through corpse jumping. Horde players laughed about this on the forums and encouraged the Alliance to switch servers or switch faction. Plenty of Classic players had nothing to lose from starting over in TBC with a new faction. Blood Elves were a good enough reason alone for many. It was just an added bonus that now they would be on the dominant faction. Considering how popular Blood Elves were in TBC and even still in SL if you were not around back in 2007 it was not hard to determine which faction would get the most conversions. So we had pretty bad imbalance in Classic and then for many other reasons (some listed above) we now obviously (as predicted) have worse faction imbalance.
So back to the original topic YES the Horde players complaining now have a right to complain and ask for changes just as the other side has a right to defend their desire to not have those changes made. I do believe that player created problems need to be solved by the players. Blizzard is making money off of this product. Unlike private servers it would not be in their benefit to tell potential paying customers that you can not roll X faction on Y server due to it being too far out of balance. Players chose to make it this lopsided and now they have to fix it themselves. The one change I personally think would be good for all involved is paid faction change with restrictions. It would benefit all sides (players and Blizzard).
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One of the first principles of debate is that it doesn’t matter who is making the argument. The argument stands of falls of its own merit.
I agree. And in this case, the argument falls on its own merit.
So, the argument stands
??? lol…
By the way, if private servers are so great you can always go back.
Oh look here’s some witty banter at the end of your post to insult me! Very classy!
1- I never said what you are claiming, that’s a strawman argument.
2- Even if I could go back (I can’t, NOST era servers are gone), I wouldn’t want to. Look at #1, the legacy server advocates got the product they wanted, why would we want to go back??? Leave with your insults, and don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Putting in little snide comments like that discredits you further.
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I would like blizzard to give alliance instant 70’s… cuz they are slow levelers on a hold. Let’s not forget a large % of them dont even care about pvp. But sure, go a head and blame horde.
Please tell all those afk people in Shatt, IF, SW to queue up for bgs instead of showing off their purpz.