Retail-Classic Players are Clueless on PVP Consequences

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When horde players are asking for PVP changes, there are always a vast majority of responders who say

“You knew that horde was the overpopulated faction! You choose to play on horde and reap the PVP advantages! Now you must suffer the consequences of your actions!”.

Notably, the majority of these people making this argument are LEGION/BFA Retail players who don’t know what they are talking about.

The Classic WoW private server community was playing together on servers for 4 years since Nostalrius, and during that time faction balance was at worst 48% Alliance - 52% Horde. Part of that time period, Alliance was the dominant faction on Northdale, the final private server before private servers became defunct due to Blizzard’s Classic WoW (the product we always wanted).

There’s a huge disconnect, because faction was balance was never an issue on the private servers, and it was even Alliance favored at the end of it all. Yet we have these people parroting the argument over and over that “horde players choose their benefit, they deserve the consequences”. It’s completely illogical. Any serious private server player would immediately see the flaw in the argument. The only people who are seriously making this argument are Retail Players or people who didn’t play.

It’s just sad. The argument being made is completely untrue and not in touch with reality.

Yes we choose horde. A lot of us choose horde on launch. A lot of us are ex-private servers who came from the largest private classic wow in history, with a majority Alliance playerbase. And we chose horde anyway, and have been playing horde since 2019. But for some reason, there’s completely out of touch players or trolls keep saying on the forums “You knew this would happen! you must suffer the consequences”

It’s ridiculous how out of touch the (Retail) players are being about the pvp-imbalance issue, to the point they make delusional arguments to defend their viewpoint that nothing should be changed. Alliance players were the dominant faction on private servers, and they are still are in PVP on the real deal.

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classic players were mostly #nochanges. You change anything it’s a slippery slope on a snowball of trash.

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Yes, but we’re past that point mate. With the downfall of Alexensual, and rise of classic streamers who didn’t even play classic back in the day, the #nochanges crowd is gone.

Many changes have occurred to the point #nochanges is no longer a valid argument, because Blizzard makes many changes and will continue to make changes in the future.

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Retail-Classic Players are Clueless on PVP Consequences

Quite possibly the most ridiculously ironic take that lacks self-awareness that I’ve seen in awhile. GG

They quite literally saw this coming a mile away, thus knew exactly what they are talking about.

Meanwhile you sit here in your total hindsight, tackle the problems you couldn’t see coming because YOU had no idea what you were jumping into.

This private server mindset is what clearly causes the disconnect that blinds you to obvious reality of live servers. And this explains why you are short-sighted and have a surprised pikachu face when reality approaches your doorstep.

Now in hind-sight, after seeing the problem manifest, you want changes to supplement the problem YOU and others created.

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Horde want to talk about Pvp consequences to Alliance players that play on Horde heavy servers.

Lol.

Can’t make this up.

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HAHAHA!!! It’s all so funny now.

I just want to thank the #somechanges crew for this entertainment of shooting yourself in the foot!

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Not only that, but private servers have been changed too. Just because you were on a private server that does not mean you were playing the “real” version. I tried a few and they all had changed something from the original.

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Anyone remember the good old days when even hinting at IP theft servers would catch you a suspension?

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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Ok got it, another player that over the years gradually migrated to Horde.

Completely debatable. Depends on the server/provider, and the expansion. Endless has always been Horde dominated, massively.

Nothing could actually be more delusional than this statement. We can go back the last several expansions (legion, bfa, wod) and there were far far more Horde glads and r1s than Alliance.

Yes, I hope you do see the flaw in the argument. You came to a blizz product (Classic) where the Horde have had massive population imbalances for many years, and it only gets worse the longer we go. (And it only gets worse the higher in the competitive scene we go.)

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They quite literally saw this coming a mile away, thus knew exactly what they are talking about.

Meanwhile you sit here in your total hindsight, tackle the problems you couldn’t see coming because YOU had no idea what you were jumping into.

Did you play on Nost/Ely/LB/or Northdale?

Immediately before classic the dominant PVP faction on private servers was ALLIANCE. Go ask private server player. If you think it was horde, you must have been playing legion or something, because horde was massacred in the open world immediately before classic launched.

This private server mindset is what clearly causes the disconnect that blinds you to obvious reality of live servers. And this explains why you are short-sighted and have a surprised pikachu face when reality approaches your doorstep.

Now in hind-sight, after seeing the problem manifest, you want changes to supplement the problem YOU and others created.

Private server mindset? We had like 12,000 active players always loggedin, and millions upon millions of unique player accounts created buddy. Go look at the NOST statistics. Classic wow exists because of Nost and the servers that followed.

It seems like you didn’t play private servers, and came back for classic (or you wouldn’t be responding the way you are now).

I’m sorry you got burned hard on Herod since 2019, but no horde players rolled horde in 2019 on launch believing that Horde would be the dominant faction.

Just look at PROGRESS. Top PVE guild in the world. Played alliance on private, still playing alliance. How about APES? Top PVP guild in the guild. Played alliance on private, still playing alliance. The top guilds are still playing alliance buddy.

You’re so out of touch with the classic wow scene that you think because there a ton of horde players in the current day that “we choose our consequences”. Completely out touch retail player who came back for classic.

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Hello? I was right in knowing what was coming.

You were wrong knowing what was coming.

Also I played on TBC private servers. This makes YOU clueless.

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But you’re the one asking for changes from retail. What a dumb post

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You wanna know what TBC private servers tried to make the horde disparity less prevalent on TBC private servers? They gave Alliance incentives.

  • Additional EXP bonuses when leveling in the open world.
  • Additional Bonus Honor when queueing for Battlegrounds.
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Hello? I was right in knowing what was coming.

You were wrong knowing what was coming.

Also I played on TBC private servers. This makes YOU clueless.

Well, admittably you might have, but not Classic private servers. I can’t disprove it on the TBC side… However, if you continue to parrot this argument that classic players rolled horde knowing that they would outnumber alliance players, it shows that you are just ignorant.

When ALLIANCE dominated Northdale and all the top players and guilds played alliance there (and still do !!! they still play alliance!!), it’s hard to make the argument that people chose to play horde to play with the top players…

It’s hard to make that argument, because it’s completely illogical. The top private server players are still playing alliance even to this date.

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This is TBC classic we are playing not Vanilla.
This is TBC classic we are playing not Vanilla.
This is TBC classic we are playing not Vanilla.
This is TBC classic we are playing not Vanilla.

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There is no point trying to even speak to them i promise

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You wanna know what TBC private servers tried to make the horde disparity less prevalent on TBC private servers? They gave Alliance incentives.

  • Additional EXP bonuses when leveling in the open world.
  • Additional Bonus Honor when queueing for Battlegrounds.

Well now you’re changing your argument. Everything that’s being parroted is about rolling Horde for CLASSIC, not TBC. And references to Horde being dominant during CLASSIC (not TBC), and the consequences… suffering the consequences currently In TBC POST CLASSIC.

Like legitimately, you are changing your argument to not include the crux of what’s being parroted, to better combat my words.

If you want to change your argument go fish, but you can’t mix and match depending on what’s convenient for you.

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One of the things I like about official servers over private servers is that they let players sort out player made problems. No overzealous teenage admins trying to micromanage every aspect of the community. It’s nice

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Argument has always been the same. There is a massive horde disparity in TBC. This is and has always been historically accurate as all the TBC private servers have the same disparities. This is why its not surprising when we see it in classic TBC.

Now Blizzard just needs to bump up the exp alliance get on pvp servers and the honor alliance get on ALL servers and that will help the populations and queues a bit more just like the TBC private servers.

So you agree with me on adding EXP and HONOR Signs for alliance only on servers? GREAT! We are on the same page Misc, thanks for agreeing with me!

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YMMV. Having only played tbc pservers they were almost all always extremely horde dominate, so much in fact they would incentivize players to roll alliance with minor perks or some even went as far as to allow cross faction grouping for all pve related content.

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