Retail-Classic Players are Clueless on PVP Consequences

WoW Classic Cataclysm Classic Discussion
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Seal of blood is miniscule on the scale of reasons why people prefer horde in tbc. Just look at the advantages the horde racials have in pve.

Miniscule? So no big deal if Blizzard didn’t give it to alliance… right? RIGHT?

… so out of touch.

Top two dps, lock and hunter respectively both benefit greatly from the orc racials. Rogue and dps warrior/shaman as well.

Ever hear of Inspiring/Heroic Presence Draenei Racial? No ?

Even tanks are better on horde with Tauren druid/warriors.

Pftpft… I smirked reading this. Alliance Warriors are the best tanks in the game with their swords/maces expertise.

And for pvp (nobody can argue with this one), undead is by far THE single most popular race.

Human’s perception racial is HUGE in arena, and Gnome’s Escape Artist is also HUGE in arena.

Arkane

  1. I already explained it once, let me try with smaller words. You stole the intellectual property belonging to Blizzard.

I stole nothing. Elaborate how I stole anything? Again, I repeat, I stole nothing.

  1. The Nostalrius thieves avoided prison because they ceased and desisted when ordered to by an American court.

False. Also Blizzard knows their real names/locations. They met with Blizzad employees in person buddy.

Then they re-opened the illegal servers in Russia which very blatantly disregards United States and international copyright laws.

This is 100% factually untrue, and technically libel/defamation of character. What you mean to say is someone with their codebase, completely unaffiliated with them, opened up servers in France, the owners being a trio of a German man, a Russian Woman, and a Chinese man. It was not the NOST team.

I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are merely trolling, but after reading your posts, I’m starting to think you really are not educated as to the actual facts.

No members of the Nostalrius team worked on WoW Classic. They had nothing to do with WoW Classic coming to fruition.

You seem to the be trolling. Consistent false claims or untrue information being spouted. I told you where to educate yourself, but you continue to spout falsehoods…

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Horde are only crying for changes because Horde get changes. Alliance just have to suffer. Blizzard almost never makes changes that benefit Alliance. Classic AV says hello.

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Alliance gets Seal of Blood.

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You mean one class? Sounds awesome. All of Horde benefit every time they cry about stuff.

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Okay, now you’re just trolling. No way is 1% hit better than blood fury lol

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You must be trolling. 1% hit party buff, vs single player damage buff/debuff.

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Wrong, I don’t play retail at all. I quit long ago. Never played private servers. Only playing Classic.

I will make the same argument. You were told Horde was going to be the more popular faction and due to that fact would have longer queue times for any pvp related. You knew this before make your character and you still did. Deal with the consequence of that action.

What Nostalrius or any other private server faction balance was like is irrelevant. It isn’t here and it never was going to be the same as any other private realm for whatever reason they may have had.

Nope, this argument is untrue and not in touch with reality and you refuse to accept the imbalance we all know was going to happen.

Where you came from does not matter. Here is not there.

Good, you choose Horde there you choose Horde here. deal with the consequences of those actions. Stop asking your fellow horde to turn traitor and go alliance just so you can have a benefit pretty selfish.

Sweet heart the only thing that can change is a large majority of the player base up and quitting their horde characters to play alliance one. You aren’t making that choice why do you think anyone else should be forced to so you can still have your horde character and get the change you want to your play?

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Historically TBC pservers have had to give Alliance players free mount training, boosted rep/exp gain and all sorts of other incentives on top of already doing things like giving Seal of Blood to Alliance. And still they were massively outnumbered. The faction imbalance issue was predicted a long time ago and here we are.
The only delusional one here is you.

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The consequences were the same in classic aa tbc, queue times. Except in classix you were competing wjth other horde so it really didnt matter as much. Youre the ine changing the argument. Referncing 1 or 2 private servers is like saying the 1 or 2 alliance dominated pvp servers represent the majority of pvp servers.

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You were told Horde was going to be the more popular faction and due to that fact would have longer queue times for any pvp related. You knew this before make your character and you still did. Deal with the consequence of that action.

I was told nothing. Who told me? When? I did not know this, or anything. I played the minority faction on Northdale. I chose the same faction on official Classic.

What Nostalrius or any other private server faction balance was like is irrelevant. It isn’t here and it never was going to be the same as any other private realm for whatever reason they may have had.

Okay if it wasn’t relevant, then what is relevant… making classic choices based off LEGION? What a joke.

Nope, this argument is untrue and not in touch with reality and you refuse to accept the imbalance we all know was going to happen.

I’m sorry the truth hurts, but living in denial is bad for the soul.

Where you came from does not matter. Here is not there.

Good, you choose Horde there you choose Horde here. deal with the consequences of those actions.

Your argument hinges upon not playing on classic launch, and choosing to play horde anyway after whatever metrics you deem valid already occured.

I played on classic launch.

Sweet heart the only thing that can change is a large majority of the player base up and quitting their horde characters to play alliance one. You aren’t making that choice why do you think anyone else should be forced to so you can still have your horde character and get the change you want to your play?

Almost no one complaining about queue is going to reroll Alliance. Stop trolling. The majority of your reaction to me is utter nonsense as quoted/responded above. Why troll on the forums? Go do something else instead of posting to try to trigger others.

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Kimb

The problem is you guys keep screaming about consequences of rolling Horde in CLASSIC, not TBC. You can’t change your argument because it’s convenient for you to get out of a counter argument.

TBC private servers had virtually no active online player base, maybe 1,000 players at MOST online at a time. Compared to the Nost servers pushing 10x that.

The biggest issue on those servers was seal of blood.

Like it’s sad, you don’t even know what you’re talking about. You’re just quoting things about servers you didn’t even play on to try to counter-argument the horde’s counter-argument to your classic-consequences shenanigans.

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Once again, it’s never your fault.

It’s either Blizzard’s fault that there’s too much fault, or now retails players fault? Lol?

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The consequences were the same in classic aa tbc, queue times. Except in classix you were competing wjth other horde so it really didnt matter as much. Youre the ine changing the argument. Referncing 1 or 2 private servers is like saying the 1 or 2 alliance dominated pvp servers represent the majority of pvp servers.

My apologies for referencing the only private server(s) that ever really made a difference in the scale of history. Sorry for quoting the only relevant past-history to making decisions, and not using Retail as a baseline. If we’re talking about actual Classic back in 2004, Alliance was again the dominant faction. Sorry the facts don’t fit your argument… facts don’t care about your feelings.
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Plzcomeagain

Once again, it’s never your fault.

It’s either Blizzard’s fault that there’s too much fault, or now retails players fault? Lol?

Your first sentence doesn’t make sense, because I’m not saying there is any blame, nor am I absolving blame of myself. You’re trying to derail the convo into some kind of guilt game, which is besides the point.

No one ever said it was retail players fault; just that the arguments being made by Retail players who now play classic wow, are in fact, completely illogical.

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its funny but i feel the boost 100% guilty for this all those human warrior boosted a qt little horde hunter or a lock PILAV did

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Comparing apples to oranges. People werent nearly as competitive and researched in 2004 as they are in 2021. The facts are the majority of people that are queing bgs are horde, and the majority kf pvp servers are horde dominated. Everybody knew this was going to happen before they opened classic servers based on retail, and now there are consequences for the over whelming majority of the pvp playerbase rolling one faction.

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So cringe at this point for you guys to keep saying “retail players” as if it’s some sort of boogieman.

Plenty of Retail players don’t want changes, that’s the exact reason they are here. Whether or not they played retail has no bearing on their opinion and no one has evidence otherwise.

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Hopely they leave soon like next month.

Am touching wood

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The only pvp consequences for Horde players who complain in here are nothing but bunch of queue times. But they don’t realize the real problem on how to fix it.

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LOL. Based on Retail… not based on the largest classic private server in history, which is the main reason Classic WoW even exists…

Captain Hindsight strikes again.

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Goobr

So cringe at this point for you guys to keep saying “retail players” as if it’s some sort of boogieman.

Plenty of Retail players don’t want changes, that’s the exact reason they are here. Whether or not they played retail has no bearing on their opinion and no one has evidence otherwise.

It’s not the boogieman, but the fact is… the retail players are … in fact… clueless… as they don’t have the proper background knowledge to realize the flaw in their arguments… hence them being clueless. If you weren’t a retail player, you’d know you the silly THIS IS REVENGE FOR PHASE 222222222222222!!! argument is absolute BS.

The fact is, retail players are clueless.

#NoChanges ? Really? You’re going to die on the hill with alexensual in 2019? #NoChanges is already over. Countless changes have been made to classic to the point where saying that you stand with #NoChanges is a meme.

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You realize that the alliance were the stronger faction in classic, right ? Paladins gave them a pve and pvp advantage far superior than some racials. Especially in pve.

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no one cares about what happened on a private server. this is a legit server, and not someone stealing another’s IP and passing it off as their own.

everyone told you all that horde were going to be the dominant faction and they were right