Retail-Classic Players are Clueless on PVP Consequences

they couldnt care less, they are just being jerks about it

You made your mistake by judging of your private sever experience. If you looked around over the internet preclassic launch it would have been clear to you, what it will be regarding balance. I went alliance just because of that, after playing horde since open beta back in the day.
Private servers players are minority, retail masses are driving the balance.

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Waiting for anyone from the Alliance actually have constructive feedback for fixing the issue and stop attacking people that are frustrated. There is a problem. Do you honestly believe the true fix to the problem is several thousand Horde coming rerolling, grinding to max level? Would you do that? Let’s talk solutions. If you do, think that’s the fix, tell us why and if you would do that. Leave your friends and community for pvp rewards?

This exactly. If I don’t have the time to sit in an hour queue for a BG to have fun outside of work. I don’t have the time to reroll Alliance.

The majority of these alliance players are toxic trolls who are clueless when they make these fraudulent, false arguments. It’s clear they are just looking to stir the pot,

whereas we are looking for a solution to the problem.

they couldnt care less, they are just being jerks about it

I agree. It’s especially painful, because the arguments that they are making about it are completely illogical. One guy has even gone to change his argument, and encourage others to change their arguments… because it’s convenient for him to argue solely based on TBC and stop talking about “revenge for phase 1, phase 2, BECAUSE YOU KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN!”.

That’s the argument they are all making, and the guy is smart enough to try to mass organize and have people stop talking about classic because he realizes the pitfall in it.

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Well, here is the thing. This game and it’s community not started few weeks ago. It all started in 2019, and that’s exactly what horde was saying in phase 2.
It didn’t affect me at all, I was having fun, but you just don’t realize how many alliance casuals quit back then.

There is a solution - reroll, or just adopt.

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Keep trolling and coping buddy. Your arguments are all completely illogical, so it’s hard to justify a valid response beyond this.

This game and it’s community not started few weeks ago. It all started in 2019, and that’s exactly what horde was saying in phase 2.

Ah! The disproven Classic wow “you knew this would happen” argument. Looks like the one guy hasn’t convinced this one yet to stop talking about phase 2!

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Can you explain how I was supposed to know Blizzard would implement a level 58 boost? This literally facilitated the transfer of alliance to horde and brought in a bunch of newer players that were told “horde is the pvp race”. If Blizzard wishes to implement a paid feature to cause a problem, then they should also implement a feature to resolve the problem.

You people make no sense.

First it’s “no changes”, now you want changes, but of course only when something affects you personally.

You’re on Blizzard’s official forums, seemingly bragging about stealing their product for years.

And to top it all off, not only does your post suggest no solution, its only argument seems to be “lol u ppl r retail playurs ur dum”.

Your delusion is mind-boggling.

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your a rager just quit already you know you want to

#nochanges has been out the window since 2019 when Alexensual was ejected from the streaming community.

How many changes have we had since 2019? TOO MANY. Stop with this #nochanges stuff, the game has had many many changes, and it’s not a valid diss-counterargument to make, because #nochanges is long “over”.

Your delusion is mind-boggling.

At least I’m not trapped in an Alexensual video from 2019 about no changes. Keep up with the current times. There are changes. I am not arguing for #nochanges.

seemingly bragging about stealing their product for years.

I didn’t steal anything. The people behind Nostalrius met with Blizzard in 2016, and none of them went to prison. That meeting lead to the classic wow servers that exist now. There’s a video on youtube about it by NANO Nostalrius if you care enough to get your facts straight.

Your reading comprehension needs work. I do not support the “no changes” idea and I never have. Check my post history and how heavily I advocate for things like appearance changes in Classic. My mention of “no changes” was as criticism toward this community. Read it again, slowly, so that you don’t completely waste your time with a moot response again.

who are these top alliance players? 15/20 of the top guilds right now are horde, salad bakers rerolled horde, all of the retail glads? horde, all of the pserver players? horde.

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Bootynuzzler, Look at what you actually said, not what you think you said.

You can’t ignore facts which you don’t like. You can’t expect people to have adult conversation with you if you are act like a kid.
Like I said, this community is not new, this community, this meta evolved since 2019 classic launch. You simply can’t ignore that, you simply can’t expect compassion when you gave none.

Now, I am not saying I am with people who want horde to suffer, I just can’t see how you guys ignore the argument.

When it comes to solution, I don’t want merc mode, I don’t want cross faction bgs. TBC is already step down from vanilla, I don’t need more crap like that in the game.

Keep asking blizzard for faction transfers, that might be a solution, but only one way, as stupid alliance players will flood horde even more

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Again, mind-boggling.

You can’t ignore facts which you don’t like. You can’t expect people to have adult conversation with you if you are act like a kid.

You folks have materially changed your argument, because it’s convenient. However, at the same time, SPECIFICALLY YOU are continuing on complaining about Phase 2, even though you are supposed to omit that from your argument in order to comply with the change in your argument.

At some point, people realize, you don’t even know what you are talking about.

Paraphrased: Ah yes! I agree with this guy! This is about TBC not Classic…
Also you: LOOK AT PHASE 1,2,3,4,5,6 IN CLASSIC!!!

if you are act like a kid.

Strong bait. Will not take it. Don’t want to get baited into saying something “mean”.

Keep asking blizzard for faction transfers, that might be a solution, but only one way, as stupid alliance players will flood horde even more

The only thing I can agree with.

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Like I said, this community is not new, this community, this meta evolved since 2019 classic launch. You simply can’t ignore that, you simply can’t expect compassion when you gave none.

This is identity politics and also bait.

Whatever, my dear, if complaining about phase 2 is what you are reading from my post, there is no help.

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Mind-boggling that you use #nochanges as a criticism of “us people”, when #nochanges has long been out the door since … 2019… 2 yeas ago… with the downfall of Alexensual, the #nochanges guy?

I agree!

How delusional can you get actually get? I mean, you’re seriously telling me to read what I said because you think that I think I know what I said but I don’t? Put down the glass and tune into reality, dude.

I’ll clarify: again, as I said, I am a major advocate for appearance changes in Classic. A very common theme in the responses I get is “no changes”, which I have always found to be a very weak argument and have argued against numerous times. Take this one for example, in response to someone parroting “no changes” at me:

Well I guess you better go into your system settings and put Shadow Quality and Liquid Detail on Low then, and disable Sunshafts entirely. Don’t forget to go into Advanced and change your Graphics API to DirectX 11 Legacy. Oh, and I hope you’re not using ElvUI, since that wasn’t available until 2008, or Details, which wasn’t available until 2013.

You wouldn’t want to come off as a hypocrite, would you?

So now, with some context in mind, read what I said - again - slowly.

First it’s “no changes”, now you want changes, but of course only when something affects you personally.

Think of it less as a jab at you, and more of a jab at the community who has derailed my threads suggesting appearance changes with weak responses like “no changes”, who are now posting threads en masse suggesting changes to alleviate the PVP situation affecting Horde players.

Does everything have to be broken down and explained to you in great detail like an ELI5 post? Ffs.

I can tell just from skimming these posts that Misc is far more interested in appearing right than actually being right.