Argument has always been the same. There is a massive horde disparity in TBC. This is and has always been historically accurate. This is why its not surprising when we see it in classic TBC.
Now Blizzard just needs to bump up the exp alliance get on pvp servers and the honor alliance get on ALL servers and that will help the populations and queues a bit more.
So you agree with me on adding EXP and HONOR Signs for alliance only on servers? GREAT! We are on the same page Misc, thanks for agreeing with me!
Actually no it’s not. It’s convenient for you to change your argument to not include vanilla. But the whole time you’ve been saying that the benefit was rolling Horde in classic, and now people have to suffer the consequences.
If you want to play mind games, you can, but these silly arguments don’t translate well into the real world where people operate based on what you’ve actually said and the logic behind things.
Keep in mind, you’re played on Herod, which Alliance completely dominated a disorganized horde faction of very bad players. I don’t know about now, but Alliance was the dominant faction on your server until the mass dispelling drama.
Horde brought this upon themselves, and they’ve tried to make it worse every opportunity they could, from phase 2 of classic to now. Doing things that slow people from leveling, and force them to quit just makes it worse, but that’s what horde has done at every turn.
These are the consequences of the collective action of the faction. Deal with it or stop crying.
The only fix blizzard needs to make is to take honor off of kills in wpvp.
Well that’s mainly because Seal of Blood (which was changed). The TBC servers were always very unpopulated as well. I remember playing on HG and HF and their pop never got past 2k. Meanwhile the classic servers had 12,000 people on around the clock.
That being said, the majority of you guys are arguing using rolling horde for classic as a crux… and I don’t understand how you can all parrot…
YOU ROLLED HORDE ON CLASSIC WOW KNOWING IT WOULD BE THE DOMINANT FACTION IN PVP, NOW ITS TBC AND YOU MUST SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR CHOICES!!!
Like why even talk about Classic wow, if later you folks are going to remove it from your argument completely when it doesn’t suit you?
These guys either didn’t play Northdale, where Alliance STEAMROLLED Horde, or are trying to use Retail BFA faction balance to justify their claims.
If they did play private with us, they’d realize all the top pvpers were playing on Alliance not Horde.
The reason I made this threat is because a bunch of players from Retail are making completely illogical arguments. Sure they are frustrated, but the arguments they are making are completely baseless when we look at the history of classic wow and classic wow emulation servers.
This argument was entirely TBC based. Vanilla doesn’t exist anymore, vanilla queues don’t exist anymore, nothing vanilla related exists anymore.
It’s not though. 99% of the arguments on the forums are about consequences from rolling horde in CLASSIC, and horde now having to suffer consequences in TBC.
I will say in again for the people in the back… YOU CAN NOT CHANGE YOUR ARGUMENT WHEN IT IS CONVENIENT FOR YOU.
Irony of the highest level. We are playing TBC classic. Welcome to the way live servers are right now.
Okay then why are people talking about the consequences of people rolling horde in 2019.
You understand herod has like 80/20 horde disparity right? Like all the way through phase 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, tbc
Phase 1 - 2 it was 50 - 50, at worst 50-60. The Alliance guilds Blood Legion, Tempest, and Maelstrom completely rolled horde in open world pvp. The only Horde guilds on herod were… Storm and Bipolar? Both try-hard PVE guilds.
Even so, why are you talking about phase 1,2,3,4,5,6 if you claimed earlier that classic consequences aren’t relevant.
So they are relevant… but they also aren’t relevant…??? okay then.
A lot of people used the boost to reroll horde in TBC. The argument is still extremely bad, but you are missing it here.
I would hazard a guess that very few people are so sweaty that they rolled horde for PVP. Most people probably rolled horde because they wanted to be horde or they wanted to be on the faction with the most people to PVE with. On retail that’s horde by a huge margin. I would guess that this is an extension of that not sweaty tryhards rerolling for racials.
when you have to use private servers as a defense you throw your own argument out the window
Not really? The only reason classic wow or classic wow tbc exists is because of NOST.
If we are going to use something as a baseline for decisions or expected behavior, why wouldn’t we look at a servers from 2015-2019 with millions of unique player accounts, and servers that had more players online at one time, than any current classic/tbc realm currently?
“The people who predicted exactly what ended up happening don’t know what they are talking about” A confident take for sure, lets see how it plays out for him
No one predicted anything though. Your argument is based upon using data which hadn’t happened yet. That’s not a valid argument, or valid criticism to take future data and criticize others for not knowing the future. You can say you predicted it… but did you really??? did you really predict it when Alliance was the dominant faction on private servers?
You know the TOP TBC players are Alliance right??? The majority of them are ex-private server players. Still playing Alliance.
When Classic WoW dropped in 2019, I assumed the top players would roll ally. I was correct. I assumed the top guilds would roll ally. I was correct. I assumed the population balance would be even. I was wrong, the faction balance was slightly in favor of the horde, which has grown worse over time…
… but for all you shills screaming on the forums about phase 1 and phase 2 of classic wow telling people that the consequences they are suffering now are a result of their choice to roll Horde in August 2019… that’s nonsensical and illogical.
You are not wrong about retail players, but you are completely wrong about people rolling horde not knowing they would be dominant. It’s the fact retail players didn’t know private servers meta explains why everyone went horde hoping for advantages in pvp and open world by numbers.
You may be right, but that doesn’t soothe my mind when there’s a large quantity of private server players who rolled Horde completely oblivious as to what would come, and yet…
… and yet, we have to deal with feeble minded people…
Screaming and screeching, completely devoid of logic, super super foul mouthed and toxic grown adults screaming…
“YOU KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN. YOU CHOOSE HORDE ON LAUNCH DAY SO YOU COULD BEAT US ALL IN WORLD PVP. THIS IS REVENGE FOR PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2 BUDDY. THIS IS PAYBACK. NOW YOU SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES”…
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The arguments are just so bad, so toxic, and a lot of these people are clearly unfit for video game discussion… imagine real life.
Waiting for anyone from the Alliance actually have constructive feedback for fixing the issue and stop attacking people that are frustrated. There is a problem. Do you honestly believe the true fix to the problem is several thousand Horde coming rerolling, grinding to max level? Would you do that? Let’s talk solutions. If you do, think that’s the fix, tell us why and if you would do that. Leave your friends and community for pvp rewards?
pvp actually sucked on most of them too. It wasnt a good situation they just let the game be bad. Alliance was the dominate faction on northdale and horde teams usually had like 6 players