RET PVP has to be nerfed before it makes people rage quit

I’m not sure you understand how paladins global people though.
The nerf speed is kinda useless since the mechanic is to get the 6pc T1 bonus that allows us to stack 2 seals as we hit AND judge.

Everything relies on a single swing with SoC and SoM on the auto + insta Judgement of them both. If you’re lucky enough it’s a lot of crit. Same goes with a reckoning build, you stack damage till you have 5 stacks and insta auto 5 times. So the weapon speed is kinda useless there. But if you nerf those damage by 50%, then you break the whole mechanic while bubbled because it certainly won’t be enough to kill anyone.
It’s enough to limit paladins damage under bubble.

deal, gladly would take it

just saying it currently is that they are 2 globaling people with the current setup.

the 50% would be to address things as they currently are with no variables changed.

i dont see the sense in changing the variables even if it “wouldnt affect anything”.

I can kill boomies through their frenzy regen.

Ret is so busted its addictively fun.

Pallies need full tier to do dmg, which means no rank gear. Theyre optimal setup has little stamina. This is why pallies arent strong. They can be when they connect, but theyre pallies that are easily kited abd blown up

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No you can’t. Stop BS everyone all the time it’s cringe.

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Depending on whether if they are in bear form or what kind of gear they have, I can absolutely kill a druid through FR. But everyone focusing on the scenario that suits themselves.

Virgin ungeared druid vs chad 6 piece t1 paladin with Hand of Rag.

Obviously they’ll nuke them. But a beefy druid is going to outlast even some of the most potent damage.

doesnt even have to have hor to do it honestly.

pally damage right now with the setup of the tier pieces and stuff can do it with lesser weapons than that.

its a bit bonkers atm.

best i can suggest without nerfing them in pve would be to make damage done while bubbled -50% .

at least that way you dont have the “i can 2global you while COMPLETELY IMMUNE TO EVERYTHING other than balefire bolt lol” .

I’d personally be okay with it. Reckoning the bread and butter. So many people just brrt and don’t think about Reckoning Pallies and just try to burn them down.

I think most pallies bubble to heal for the most part. I do anyways I guess I can’t speak for everyone on that matter.

i mean really it should be a defensive spell . adding offense to a complete immunity is just silly on its face.

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I think if they did do that more people might be inclined to use the Malleable Shield rune. (I’d have to see what it competes with first) But I’m all for seeing some variety in how people set their classes up.

I was hoping for that more than anything in SoD but some Runes are just better than others.

Every spec is better with tier bonus you pve scrub.

This is why classic dies off with gear disparity. Forced pve to pvp is the downfall of classic

well that and if you can 2 global someone in melee range, all you have to do is get into that melee range and its a wrap.

pallies have bubble and horse to close the gap while also being immune to every slow and cc and all damage and purge .

its alot easier for a pally to get in melee range than it ever has been.

Again, once every 5 min. You all act as if bubble was a permanent feature. It’s not.
So yeah paladins get to be OP for a few seconds every 5 min. I understand that total immunity isn’t a satisfying mechanic but just nerfing bubble is not gonna do it.

For real… try to stick to your target when you have no slow and a single 3 sec. sprint every 45 sec. that disappears when you sneeze. Every other tool we have is dispellable. If you haven’t learned to kite a paladin yet the issue lies with you guys.

As to the 2 globals stop acting as if it was the norm. It’s a super lucky RNG crit on PvE gear people most of the time.

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no. im acting like its up nearly every encounter in ab (which 3-5 min cooldowns are if you factor in the losing team in a fight has to res/rebuff/regroup/travel back and fights generally last 3+ mins so it has plenty of time to go off cooldown).

the immunity while being capable of 2 globaling while immune is a problem. the fact that you are throwing that out is saying something.

i only suggested the 50% dr on damage done by the paladin while bubbled cause its unfair even if it is only every 5 mins.

it also may not be all the time , but it happens often enough to be a real thing and worthy of consideration.

Have to nerf eles SR, elemental mastery or natures swiftness.

Having those up every fight is way too OP.

100% crit gg no other class can do this.

All instant cast spells, never need to cast.

Nerf shamans

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you kids that don’t pvp or are just trash at pvp need to stick to slaying dragons. Ele is not very good after the over nerfs.

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according to xtra they have 100% elemental mastery uptime, and 100% SR uptime.

Way too strong

But It’s not ! It’s 5 min man, you teamfight A LOT more once every 5 min in AB.

Again… You don’t 2 global in BG unless you hit a very squishy cloth wearer or get very lucky. Add some tank runes to your build as shaman you’ll see you won’t have any issue.

Yeah I and I get that. But we’re gonna need a way to stick to our target then. SO either a speed on judgement or a slow because bubble is the best (and only way in tf when there is a lot of dispeling) to stick to our targets.

Yes it does but if we want to be taken seriously it’s better to be accurate in the description of what we reckon is an issue in the game. I play both alliance and horde and usually all pallies burn their bubbleon the first AB fight. I know it’s not up for another 5 minutes and horde most often wins every other teamfight. How often does alliance secure BS first but looses it a couple minutes after ? Quite often.

Ret needs full tier to function which = low stam. Without rank gear paladins are melee glass cannons. They can pop people woth good RNG but they are easily kited and lack the HP pool to contend with top tier BG specs. Ret pallies are mid