seriously coming from a rogue, come on man. they arent that bad
I don’t think any classes with decent gear are getting killed in two globals atm. Unless they’re a mage in full spellpower gear I guess. Equip pvp gear and other stam pieces and you should be at unironically 7-8k hp with zero buffs. If you have full marshal you’ll be like 10k. Pallies globalling people with 3k hp isn’t an issue.
I think boomies should get brought down to the level of pallies/hunters. The best way to do this is probably nerf their incredible survivability a good amount and maybe nerfing their dmg a bit too. Other classes/specs also maybe need their dmg brought up a good amount in some way (mages are the obvious one here lol).
It’s also possible that priest healers need a slight nerf. This is an awkward one to suggest because you really only feel it when priests are full r13 gear and titan flasked but they are INCREDIBLY sturdy and need to do very little hard casting of spells. In comparison other healers are either not so tanky (druids, yeah they can be tanky but sitting in bear means they aren’t healing any of their allies so it’s a big sacrifice) or they need to hardcast a significant amount (mages/shammies/hpals, I think shammies are the best out of these due to riptide/earth shield but hpals are also quite good while mages… idk maybe with an amazing player they’re good heals in BGs I just haven’t seen it)
wrong I got killed by a pally in two hits on my shadow preist with the best pvp gear I could get. He cut through that building at Blacksmith in AB. He bubbled stunned me and proceeded to kill me in before the stun was gone it happened very quickly and I was behind everyone so I had no dots or anything cast on me. I could not do anything about it as my pvp trinket was not refreshed. Dead before the stun was gone and no one could stop it with 5 other horde right there because of that bubble.
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I guarantee people were building the reckoning stacks up on the pally and you got to be the sacrifice of choice.
I was fighting last night in AV and turned to fight a horde group who was back capping/hitting stragglers. Must’ve been at least 5-6 people.
But since they wanted to focus me, they ramped my reckoning up quick. Killed a rogue and a priest before I died. 
So not 2 hits since he killed you with full duration of bubble on a 5 min CD. So not different to a rogue stun lock. Best pvp gear you could, so not the best gear while the pally probably had bis
Ret is bad in PvP. They are only good in groups with tons of support. The only thing keeping them not 100% useless in pug AB is bubble. Super easy to kite and extremly weak to purge/dispel which removes all paladin dmg almost.
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Big ‘How do you do fellow rets’ energy.
stam does not matter in sod
Stam would need to be quadrupled on pvp gear for that stat to be relevant.
PVE gear is 10000% better
Paladins two shotting people inside a HoJ but we still get takes like this.
Truly the most wheelchair class lmao
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you know, i dont know the actual thing they are doing to 2 global people .
i guess ill have to check my log next time it happens and have other people check their logs too.
i do know its possible and remember being 2 globaled while wearing 3 pc rank 12 gear and having about 8k give or take hp while also having earth shield up (not that that matters much).
but ya . please deny pallies being very strong in the combination of gear/spec that makes this possible cause we cant actually acknowledge pallies being op.
I am playing Ret, I re rolled early seeing how OP it was going to be and i don’t feel bad at all because SOD is a gigantic joke at this point.
They wiffed on pvp so bad. No weapons, poorly buffed R13 gear. It is bad all the way around, ganking and world pvp is fun if you can find it.
I am killing people inside HOJS anyone saying ret is bad is the same trash can pvp’rs that scream and cry about boomkin and theyre easy to kill as well.
Random bg heros crying on forums is entertaining some times tho.
Side note, Well played hunters and Locks are the bane of sod pvp’rs existence right now
You are hard trolling dude. Just stop talking
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I think so too, but shamans were nowhere near as OP as current boomies or rets in p4, especially after the first 3-4 weeks when gear started to factor in. It’s also extremely funny that in the most OP Ret phase Bliz nerfed ES and Riptide. Goes to show the level of incompetence of these devs, particularly Zirene
get on and duel for $?? Rets terrible free $ yea?
Dude you think flameshocks break stuns. You dont have the brain power to seal twist my friend
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to be fair if twisting actually took brain power , most rets wouldnt be able to do it anyways.
so ya.
Most Rets don’t twist because it actually takes skill to play compared with the other playstyles. Generally I see Rets running T1 6pc bonus or Exo spam, twisters are a minority.
This is what someone who doesnt have the brainpower to twist says.
Its just lucky rng+procs last time i did i checked and i got a melee+wildstrikes+command+hand of justice proc with i think 3 of them critting(combined odds less than .5% but with how many autos i do in a bg it probably happened more than once especially since judgement and cs both can proc all my on hits) its a slot machine class so we either hit like wet noodles or like a meteor
heh i just spent an ab game where the 2 pallies in it (i know they were 2 different pallies cause 1 was a dwarf and 1 was a human) both took turns 2 globaling me over the course of 6 deaths so unless rng just was super on their side (which i doubt to be the case) they were reliably 2 globaling me and other people in the bg.
it happens way too often for it to just be rng and way too reliably for it to be a super gimmick.
so say what you like, but anyone actively pvping knows that some pallies (who are more often dwarves who also seem to have better tactics and intelligence than human pallies) do a truck ton of damage.
reliably.