Not the answer I was hoping for. I’ll leave you with my best wishes to get the dps bump you desire.
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it doesnt matter if fury is also doing poorly. you guys will be just fine in ulduar, and will get better faster than other classes, every single tier. we won’t. we will get much worse and we will stay much worse until the set bonuses come around.
sure, fury also sucks right now. this is true. i might even be open to fury getting buffed too, but the problem is that you guys scale like crazy, so if you did get buffed you’d just be absolutely busted by TOGC/ICC. So I don’t think fury is going to get any buffs. That’s just how fury is, it’s bad in naxx. But Ret is bad all the way to the set bonus. No amount of crit can fix it. It’s the stat scaling itself that needs fixed.
I don’t get why you’re arguing Ret vs. Fury. They’re both bad. If anything, it proves our point. Ret is so bad, it’s as bad or worse than p1 fury. Now that’s saying something.
Saying “you should have known ret was going to be bad” isn’t an argument. Having a dead class is something that is bad for a game, that’s something we can all agree on. Just having everyone reroll is not a solution, it’s worse for the game overall than having Ret actually be viable. Not everyone picks their class based on expected DPS numbers. Some of like the lore of Ret Paladins, and like this class for other reasons and have been playing it for a long time.
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what did you want? you asked how the ret pvp spec performs in pvp, i answered
if youre asking how ret is in pvp as a whole against all other classes/comps? id say average but im no great pvper.
people spec preg/pret instead of 2h ret because it’s better and because 2h ret is pretty trash right now in pvp. preg/pret needs a bit more crit to really be good though. but as we said earlier, shield of the righteous is a much higher dps single-target ability than anything ret has, so it’s a great spec.
that’s how bad 2h ret is right now in pvp - people would rather play a 1h shield spec without divine storm, using shield of the righteous instead.
Because you guys are complaining that ret sucks when both arms and fury (the entire class not just the elite) are worse off and warriors aren’t crying out for buffs. Only ret because they don’t want to be on the bottom when warriors have been on the bottom for the whole first phase. Someone has to be the worst.
Hence why I play a warrior. I knew I would be bad until ICC. And I’m okay with it. Again, you’ve punched yourself in the face then complained it hurt.
You’re not bad until ICC. You’re not the best until ICC. You don’t have to rely on a specific tier bonus for a spike in damage (which doesn’t even take you to the top). You are steadily getting better throughout the whole expansion until you overtake just about everyone.
You keep on comparing warrior’s state to ret’s, throughout this expansion, as if it’s the same, but it’s not. It’s apples to oranges.
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I do good when compared against other rets, which is all i really care about. But I wouldnt mind being buffed lol
Lmao these rets are in SHAMBLES bro
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this is why i dont trust your research. youre only bad in p1. phase 2, especially with buffed ilvl, you will be perfectly fine.
well, you should be anyways. a long as you know how to play. you seem to be opposite from me and only care about the dps avg players can do.
This is a bit misleading though.
The absolute best feral parse is 20% above ret (why is a good question, [Edit: though looking more closely it appears to be a shade under 15%, not 20]); at the 95% percentile Ret is about 8% behind; and the average ret is about 1-2% higher than the average feral.
lmaoing at anyone who likes wotlk ret
rolfing at anyone who thinks ret is going to get buffed
loling at anyone who didnt see this coming from the day wotlk classic was announced
Based on what? We will obviously get a buff, just like everyone else will. But we are literally the worst class in the game rn. Anyway my point is warriors arent here crying out for buffs, hell, we even got nerfed for an 80dps increase when we are still bottom of the barrel. You’re complaining about being bad, when if you simply Google searched ret paladin wotlk, you could of found that out before you rolled. You claim to not care about numbers and are doing it for RP and yet are QQing your numbers aren’t high enough.
???
the way your class works???
you even play warrior?
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The why is fairly obvious: Feral has one of the highest skill caps in the game. So, when playing both classes to their peak, feral out performs them. And, just like with warriors, when you account for the benefit they can receive from Unholy Frenzy, as opposed to Ret, the discrepancy is even higher.
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And you think a 13 Ilvl buff is going to magically skyrocket warriors into the middle of the pack or top of the pack lol.
Middle of the pack, yes
You scale with everything. str, agi, crit, haste, arp. all of it
ret scales with…strength. a tiny bit of crit scaling compared to warrior
you have no idea how powerfully warrior scales yet you feel entitled to talk about a spec you clearly also know nothing about
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Can you post a link where it showed warrs would be trash till ICC since that’s not how the class has worked at all in classic. I am unable to find any nerfs to warrs during OG wrath to even believe that. I could be wrong I am just curious.
You will go from bottom by a fraction to close to the top. Rets will go from a fraction above you to middle of the pack.
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eh dunno if i’d laugh at anyone
maybe just post a GoT gif “it is known”
Ret are far from this, my god, stop crying
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nah, it’s there lmao