Lets say you have 3 mages and a ret.
Fire does 10k
Arcane does 5.5k
Ret does 5k
So you can get 35k from 3 fire and 1 ret, 36.05k with the buff.
Or you can drop the ret, pick up another fire, then run 3 fire and an arcane which gets you 35.5k or 36.6k with the buff.
Sure the arcane mage lost 4.5k DPS, but the arcane does the job of the ret which frees up a slot to bring someone in to do his job as a fire mage, thus the delta doesn’t really matter if you can replace him. If you can’t and have to bring in a more middle of the pack role then yeah there’s room for debate.
And this is all paper theory; the top guilds will do this if it makes sense, but if ret and arcane are fairly comparable specs I don’t see lots of guilds dumping their guildies for it.
Except we’re not, if you guys could even take the effort to do even a shred of research you’d realize we’re already behind what was considered to be the worst serious dps option in phase 1.
Top 3 Ret dps on Patchwerk: 7189.0, 7008.8, 7001.0
Top 3 Fury dps on Patchwerk: 7388.8, 7253.7, 7217.8
And this isn’t even taking into account that logs don’t count the dps that Fury’s bring to a raid when they receive Unholy Frenzy. This gap will only widen because the patch that Classic wotlk is based off of has Fury scaling at a better pace than any other spec with better ilv/arpen/weapons. Rets do not. Blizzard made the brilliant decision to balance Ret via spec-changing tier bonuses instead of changing their talents. This means that, even though we’re playing with a “finalized” version of wotlk, in terms of talents and abilities, that isn’t actually true for Retadins, because that isn’t how Blizzard decided to finalize their design. On top of that Rets lose a considerable amount of damage in phase 2 due to the lack of undead (no 1% and 3% dmg increase due to lack of benefit from Glyph Of Sense Undead and Crusade, respectively), holy wrath, and auto crit with exorcism.
What this means is that Blizzard’s mantra of “bring the player, not the class” in wotlk isn’t going to hold water, next phase, if the class a player is dpsing as is a Paladin. It’s barely holding true now.
The delayed gratification doesn’t make sense. So, to me, the logical conclusion of making an xpac with balance being based on a finalized patch is to also bring some artificial way to include the set bonus that was designed to aid in the balance, since it was also available in that patch.
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The amount of haters in this thread is disgusting. As a not as good ret that was finally able to parse pretty decent this week (Top 500 for some fights) I 100% agree with OP that blizzard needs to do something to better balance the class given that we’re not actually going through patches, and we’re stuck on this last “balanced” patch that has nothing to do with the current gear or set bonuses available to us until the end of WOTLK. We start Ulduar with an automatic DPS loss as we’re no longer fighting against undead mobs. We’re going to be in Ulduar for months, and then ToGC for months after that. Many people are trying to play in LC guilds and not just be passed up for loot because other classes are just simply better even though you’re performing at the top level for your class. Blizzard logic back in the day was that pure DPS classes rogues, mages, locks, hunters should always be doing higher DPS than classes with healing/tanking talent tree options. No one is saying hey we should be equal to warlocks, but when 2 Holy paladins + 1 Prot paladin (pretty standard in most raids) are enough to cover paladin buffs and the utility that ret offers to a raid with hand of salv/hand of sac/bop/divine sacrifice your utility as a ret becomes almost meaningless.
Dont forget that prot does nearly as much dps as ret.
nightfall + seal of righteousness was actually quite useful.
With a decent block value set, Shield of Righteousness can hit harder than nearly anything Ret has.
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Shield swapping the new ret twist!
I don’t see anything wrong with just asking the devs to take a look at the class
God does Ret need a buff. I don’t expect to be on the top of every damage meter. But if we could get a middle of the pack
Previously you introduced seal twisting as an actual mechanic with TBC so like another helpful addition like that would go wonders for my continued enjoyment and subscription.
because there is nothing wrong with it. because the devs literally told us they were willing o make adjustments if a spec was too strong or too weak (to the point of being excluded by the community)
people just mad to be mad
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Okay so you’re judging everything off the top 3 ret and fury players? Are you top 3 in the world? Across the board ret is still ranked higher than both arms and fury at the moment. Wanting your class to be buffed because 3 people are doing less damage than a spec that performs worse than yours overall is pretty funny.
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No, it isn’t. fury is already considerably better than ret. arms is irrelevant because they can just respec to fury for their dps.
ret can respec prot which does almost as much dmg…
Except most warriors are stuck playing arms because rogues don’t want to go combat yet…
And again, you’re looking at 99th percentile parses only…
sounds like a you problem. our main warriors get to play fury
Did you miss the part where it gets considerably worse for Rets next phase while Warriors ascension is non-stop from here on and out?
Point is we’re balanced around something that isn’t going to be available to us for a year. If we’re balanced around that, then we should have access to it.
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because i do parse 99. its relevant.
So you want your entire spec buffed because you knowingly rolled a bad spec and are crying it’s not good enough? Warriors are garbage rn and you don’t see people begging for buffs. We get a slight buff next phase with the Ilvl buff, but literally every single class gets a small buff out of that.
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warriors are already scaling hard. by ulduar with buffed ilvl your problem fixes itself. ours does not. we go down.
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It’s not slight, lol. Y’all get the biggest buff b/c y’all scale better than any spec in the game.
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