Ret got nerfed, HArd

Classes Paladin
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i just wanted to say that even tho i was bitter in this thread i never wished for what has happened. This world of warcraft is less without you.

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Now if they nerfed DK’s cancerous self-healing abilities, we might be heading in the right direction.

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This was the last blue post in the paladin forum since Feb 4, 2019.

Blizzard,

Do you value feedback from the Paladin community at all?

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We all know the answer. They show up when Ret is ‘too good’ to put the boot down on it and otherwise avoid it like the plague. Hell just look at their response to known issues in the Alpha so far. They flat out said “well we know it is a problem but we aren’t doing anything about it”, didn’t mention other flagrantly useless talents like Healing Hands but had time to say “well this one Covenant ability is actually doing damage so we are going to nerf it”. True as that last point is, because that thing REALLY is hitting too hard, it just proves my point that they care when Ret does well and not when it sucks or is awkwardly designed.

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A moment of silence for ythisens, you are dearly missed.

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No they don’t hate ret pallys they hate enhancement shamans they just dislike ret paladins.

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What about healing surge for enhancement. Blizzard nurfed that at the beginning of the expansion and we have no Survivability. Also stripping healing from our wolves.

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I think at the moment any feedback they are looking for would be on the Alpha Threads regarding Shadowlands.

If you happen to be one of the testers, start throwing some facts and laying down the law.

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I regret nothing with that bad pun.

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No arguments here either chief. Blizzard’s long hatred of Ret is rivalled only by its shafting of Shamans. Resto has had to pay the price for the era of brain heal but at least it’s had a few flashes of glory. Ele too has had a few very short-lived times to shine but Enh has been terrible almost forever as well. Some kids are still mad they got windfuried to death.

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What exactly are you expecting them to say here? Do you think they should be polling us for advice?

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…I mean, yes? Or at least taking very obvious problems seriously and fixing them? Rather than just coming here to say “NO” and tell us we’re wrong like they did with that stupid Equality talent in Legion.

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The devs and community managers should at least act like they are paying attention. Acting like they are listening to the player base would be a good start.

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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-paladin-class-changes/490700/45?u=daromir-onyxia

Link to an update from the Shadowlands Alpha.

My opinion?

Keep Inquisition. I absolutely love Inquisition.

Re-work Seraphim.

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I gotta say I lean more towards Seraphim because it’s an actual cooldown rather than a maintenance buff. Don’t really like either in their current form though. If Inquisition could be passively refreshed by using something or just trigger from HP spenders to begin with so that it isn’t a dead GCD that does no damage, I’d love it. If Seraphim did some actual damage when you pop it like new Blade Flurry did and I wish Sweeping Strikes did for warriors, that’d be great too.

Stuff like Execution Sentence works because it does damage and then what it does. Seraphim and Inquisition need to do that, whichever one is kept or just be passively maintained in the case of Inquisition.

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I really like inq. And I think the purpose it should serve is to give us more sustain damage so we can compete in pve without making our pvp burst more ridiculous.

I don’t like seraphim because you have to figure out all its interactions with other spells, states, and situations. It lasts 15seconds and costs a gcd so you get 9 gcds from it. It also has 4 haste break points to fit more gcds in the window. Break points wouldnt be so bad if we had more gem sockets and enchants available for our gear like mop and reforging would make a world of difference too but in the game’s current state it will mean a lot of simming. Then there are all the considerations about holding on to seraphim for wings or adds or having 5 holy power etc and holding all these if then statements in our head while doing mechanics and our regular rotation burdens the player with a lot of complexity for very little depth of gameplay.

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I am an Enhancement shaman and have been for a long long time. I was very pissed when blizzard removed shocks and now they are returning all but earth shock and that was my favorite one. Esp in mop the interaction ss had with shocks. Thats the playstyle I want to return to for shamans. And I do want Earth Shock back. My second char I play the most is ret paladin and I want seals to return for them.

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I prefer the maintenance buff.
More sustained and I feel like I get more out of it. In my opinion, we already have a burst window - Avenging Wrath. I don’t want another one, whether it is separate from Avenging Wrath or has to be stacked and lined up with Avenging Wrath. Part of the reason I hate Crusade is the ‘ramp-up’ aspect of it. With Inquisition, it’s just a flat buff, allowing for more sustained damage profile.
Also, in particular, I like the buff Inquisition provides. It’s a flat % boost to damage and Haste, the latter being very important to me. It simply makes the spec playable, esp. in leveling or when first reaching level cap with poorly itemized gear.
That flat % is nice even at level cap where point ratings over time for Seraphim would make less and less impact as gear increases (unless the secondary stats of Seraphim get boosted).

Now, all that being said about preferring the maintenance buff, I get what you’re saying.

I think Seraphim should be re-designed closer to what you’re saying. I simply do not think Inquisition has to leave. I don’t think either have to leave, just that one needs a re-design / tweak. My preference on that is for Seraphim to receive said changes rather than Inquisition.
BFA may not have had many successes (or any depending on who you ask), but BFA Ret is one of them in my opinion. Perfect? Absolutely not, but it was better than Legion (and Legion Ret was already pretty nice too).

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I don’t have a particular preference for either as I only play Ret as an alt but something to notice is that all 3 specs have access to Seraphim in Alpha, in fact the full lvl 40 row is shared among all 3 specs.

This leads me to believe it’s likely that Seraphim stays and Inquisition gets reworked.

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A reasonable take.

I hope it is wrong, but that would be the simplest option if the desire of the team is to keep Seraphim for all 3 specs.
Better to re-work 1 spell for 1 spec than 1 spell for all 3.

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Obvious necro of the last blue post in the Paladin forum. Please talk to us blues. Lets get some communication going. You don’t have to agree with us but please at least talk to us.

FYI: Looks like ret is getting nerfed hard in SL.

Edit: To the WoW Paladin forum community, if we do get a blue post, please be polite and respectful. Please don’t use it as an opportunity to vent your frustrations with the paladin class at blizzard. We need constructive feedback, not group therapy :innocent:

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