I mained ret for a long time and this is the first expansion i havent played it at all because it’s so unfun
Like literally one of the worst iterations of ret ever and it’s good in arena. I feel like most ret players would rather the class be fun and mediocre like it always was than this garbage
Rets made soooooooo many posts yelling at blizzard that they didn’t want burst. They wanted utility. Blizzard ignored them completely and now this is what we get
Cc the bubble wings 
I mean this isn’t really an argument.
S4 BfA Destro lost the last awc to WW/Mage/Ineffpal with C9 falling to the now method team.
Does that mean Destro wasn’t good?
Ret gets AWC play and clobbers people.
That said, it’s really not fun to play after a while. Wtb MoP or WoD ret.
Its literally their strategy and has been for many years now.
Over buff = re rolling and re gearing
Over nerf after some time
Over buff the next class = re rolling and re gearing
Over nerf after some time.
Rinse and repeat for all the sheep
Rip the dream
First week of what…?
And the ret pally was lvl 12… 
What I meant to say with my post, is desipite ret being in the most busted form it ever was, and it’s not doing well in the AWC recently. Rets lose their game then play the rest of the tournament as another class or get benched.
As strong the damage ret has is, the spec itself isnt good in other areas, like cc, outplay potential against other, mobility and uptime aswell. I would very much prefer to massively nerf the damage burst we have to gain new abilities like disarm, leap, ccs and stuff. Hopefully we can get something new like this in the next patch of 9.1 via pvp talents.
I think he means first week of 9.1 PTR
Now this is a pretty dumb comparison, ret cant cc an entire team from 30 yards away, divine toll is a 1 min cd and 0.4 sec cast chaos bolts hit just as hard with no cd, destro had every single cc in the game and was immortal until 80% damp. Yes the damage is high but it’s nowhere near the same.
There’s a good reason the devs dont read these forums lol.
Dude… 1) my comparison is not to be taken literally and at face value
and 2) destro was nowhere NEAR of EVER being capable of pulling off stunts like ret can currently.
Shall I remind you of my most liked comment here on the forums regarding a particular clip?
(Reminder that rets are doing this)
If we’re talking extremes here, and we are, both for the absurdity of BfA destro and ret, then ret takes the cake. Just in its own right.
Objectively, both are ridiculous and should not exist and are entirely indefensible. This was my point I tried to make, and exactly why I bring it up.
I learned my lesson here and stand behind anyone that flamed destro for what it was in BfA. Why do ret players always try to defend this? It’s ridiculous, so just stop right there, thanks.
And yes, I refuse to go into your points specifically, because it’d end up in an endless back and forth arguing that leads to nowhere.
Yeah, destro had a loadton of CC and was tanky, so what? I can turn around your own arguement against you by saying that this makes it even more ridonculous that ret doesn’t even need those things to do a lot more and in a less obvious way than destro ever could.
Both are indefensible for different reasons. BOTH.
I said the dmg is high, every single ret agrees that the spec needs more than just dmg and would gladly lose some of it if that means you can actually do things besides your rotation. You can post a meme outlier video against a triple caster that are terrible enough to get cought on a meme blind (Blinding Light being a stupid ability this expac), that still doesn’t compare to Destro 1 shotting people in about 80% of games.
Saying comparing Bfa destro to ret is dumb = / = “defend it”, you can spout all the nonsense you want it still won’t make it right so just stop right there, thanks.
Then why bring it up as a dumb comparison? You agree that both sides are beyond ridiculous, yes? In that regard, the comparison fits really well to bring the point across.
A whole team didn’t use a single defensive cd or traded a trinket, then wonder why they lose. HMM. Happen from most classes lol.
The blind is an old mechanic that shouldn’t exist in the game anymore and since then Divine Toll got nerfed too.
Also the hpal had 30k health compared to their team being full 226 gear
He just won at the lotto that ret is currently for that particular game, the boomy doing the triple cc also gave him x4 stack of vengeance aura just before he does his burst granting him extra 12% holy damage and 12% crit chance.
Overall, yes ret is doing disgusting burst damage. Thats the way blizzard wanted ret to be despite the whole playerbase not wanting ret to be pigeonholed into a oneshot nuke.
This guy must be a rogue or a dk player, these 2 have a personal vendetta aganst the spec lol. That kind of dmg isn’t right but this video is complete dodo and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Mr lol 35 warrior I mean line wheelchair for good times??
And the burst is predictive so save cds…
The PTR. They said they’ll be rolling out more as we go.
Heh funny you bring that up.
And when destro veterans brought that up we just got more flac for it. No destro player EVER wanted BfA design or any design after WoD, yet here we are. Forced into it. Welcome abroad.
And you still don’t get my point.
No matter how it even came to be, no matter the circumstance, it HAPPENED. And such a thing should just NEVER be possible, yet it was. Without cheats bugs or exploits.
That’s s5 DK, FoK rogue levels of bats°t insane. So yeah. You should get where I’m coming from. In that context alone, ret is even worse than destro. And that’s the crazy thing. Yet you still try to argue about semantics.
Kek
Don’t think you can put ret on the same level as bfa destro, because atleast the games end quickly.
Destro and firemage just drawn the game to 80% damp and won at some point cause of unhealable damage, or you were stuck in a no kick situation and died.
Ret is strong, but its not destro bfa strong. That would be arms warrior.
Ret you can get them in a bad spot and win easily.
Hopefully, they will get to Ret (and Arms) before 9.1 PTR closes.
My gut tells me that they realize what’s at stake with 9.1 given how long of a wait it’s been and how much of a disappointment 9.0/9.0.5 have been so far. I’m betting they recognize that 9.1 will be the last straw for a lot of people if they don’t address the big issues.
The existing PTR notes are very preliminary; I wouldn’t put too much stock in it yet. Even some of the existing proposed changes will almost definitely not go live as-proposed; Frost Mage buffs are a bit over the top and the MW buffs look like an utter April Fool’s joke.