Rdruid horrible to play in pvp too. You will have 0% chance of being invited in RBG and maybe a 10% chance to be invited in 3s. I wonder what the development team thinks when they constantly put in the patch notes “Does not affect PVP”…
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I agree resto needs more love.
A tip from a quick log check, get your lifebloom uptime from where it is, around 10-15%, up to 90-100%. Lots of little (big!) things like that will help being outhealed in raid as rdruid.
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I really wish they would find a way to utilize Resto Druids over healing into absorb shields. (Smaller ones). It could give us some damage reduction and make use of the healing that gets essentially wasted.
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Yeah, I’ve always found that really weird about playing resto druid. Their entire HoT kit basically forces you to overheal to ramp up your HoTs before damage goes out, making it feel as if you’re wasting your globals.
Honestly this spec desperately needs party wide DR abilities and shields.
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Ive found that swapping grove has smoothed things significantly for me in M+, the trade off of course, is no dmg outside of burst windows that costs trees/convoke. Or casting some spells for mediocre dmg
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They had a talent in shadowlands from ardewealde. I forget what it was called but it turned your over healing into absorb shields. Why they didn’t keep that talent is beyond me.
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not just a 8% overall healing increase. Resto also got a 5% and 4% increase overall after than. How can they take a game out of beta and be so off and still not get it anywhere close to being right.
Even worst pugging as Resto Druid because you are so busy healing we have to try our hardest to squeeze in some dps since most of our dps isnt passive like half the healers that do damage just by osmosis
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i read this entire thread and got progressively sad lol. why are WoW players so damn egotistical. Every forum turns into a dck comparison, and no one even believes your hypothetical dck as big as you claim. so like… just be a nice person? actually provide ADVICE.
and don’t scold or shame someone while simultaneously saying “but yeah we need help.” Like wtf is that.
An admittance that they’re right but still feeling some need to feel superior? Yall need social skills lmao
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I play grove and I do pretty good in M+, could still use a tiny buff. However, raids we’re still being highly outcompeted, it’s almost like we’re only made to heal in groups of at least 6 people, anything more our aoe heals don’t reach enough people to be significant, and we can’t compete with the other classes heals just do way more than ours in raid settings.
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I hate misinformation, the fact that you would even do that is disheartening and pointless because thank god for warcraft logs and actual factual data.
1.) No the 50% nerf I had explained to me by evokers in the evoker discord. This mind you is a quite a hefty nerf but evokers were healing 2.1-.2.8 million a second.
Far more than the average healer that can barely meet 1.2-1.5 million a second.
I heard the amount to do the nature of their healing rotation that abuses engulf it would be a 10-20% nerf overall on the spells healing that was doing 80% of their total healing.
They will not be unplayable and they certainly will never be bad.
2.) Restoration Shamans do not expend the same amount of mana as a Restoration Druid.
This statement is just a lie.
Restoration Shamans stack Crit / Mastery and when they crit they get mana back, when they reapply water shield they get mana back. When they utilize Mana Tide Totem they get a mana refund and they get a healing amp to spells.
As well as when they use Lava Burst / Riptide from Mana Spring Totem they get mana back.
Healing Burst?
Restoration Shamans are the kings of healing bursts, 3 charges of Riptide and their mastery deep healing that heals off % missing HP?
Can nearly top someone off with on Riptide.
Rdruid needs at least 3 HoTs and utilization of a 15 second CD Swiftmend to do the work of a Rsham on a 4-6 second CD Riptide with 3 charges.
The fact you are moving towards a point where Rdruid can heal burst with ease is some copium. Completely delusion as to the fact we got back to back heal increases each week after mythic + was introduced. So DEVS don’t think we can hun.
RNG
DoT, alright so we need a weak aura to snipe ingame data to know who the DoTs going to go on so we can attempt to prevent a instant wipe?
Seems counterintuitive at that point the DoT should just name who its going on with a indicator.
Players should not need a Weak Aura to play the game.
3.) Thats not true, druids need mana and master shapeshifter doesn’t reward the druid for casting starfire.
Either you are doing low keys or just lying.
Rsham has acid Rain and Flame shock / Lava Burst combo as well as speedy fast chain lightning and ancestral guidance.
I took the liberty of looking up your raider IO I love that you said you did Grim Batol.
You did a 7? You didn’t do a 10. So you just lied.
https://raider.io/characters/us/frostmourne/Fyshles
Too add more discredation to your account you are struggling to heal like the rest of us.
So much so you DPS 10+s more than you heal.
The only 10+'s you have timed are City of Threads, Mists, and Ara Kara
^ ??? So IDK WHERE YOU GOT THIS I DID GRIM BATOL I DO SO MUCH DMG
4.) Cenarion Ward is still useless.
I don’t even feel the buff.
./yawn
I can’t handle you anymore lol
Please stop spreading fake news that Rsham is weaker / the same as Rdruid because it simply is not true.
A sick delusion that strays away from the facts.
Mythic + representation is 40% Rsham and 6% Rdruid.
Rsham has way more dmg and utility than Rdruid
1.) Poison Cleansing Totem - Yeets Affix Dot
Rdriuid has 1 cleanse every 8 seconds.
2.) Spirit Link Totem can AoE Save everyone when no one has defensive.
Rdruid prays everyone lives and ironbarks the one person they can.
3.) Earthen Wall Totem serves as a buffer for large RNG DMG and basically mitigates use of defensives for everyone.
Rdruid prays that their HoTs are all rotating and the DPS use their defensives and HP pots.
4.) Rshaman can silence and purge.
Rdruid sits there spamming HoTs to no end, occasionally throwing that 1 Soothe that doesn’t stop the AoE enrage on the other 3 targets.
5.) Shaman can lust and self battle rez.
Druids sit there trying not to die at all times extra hard cause OMG AOE waves insta 1 tap us, whilst when they do die they can’t self battle rez.
To add insult druids can’t even lust so oops there goes my heal spot “EVERYONE NEEDS LUST”
6.) Rsham has probably best buff in the game 20% chance to attack again and mastery!?
Rdruid has 3% verse, probably everyone’s most useless stat.
7.) Rsham has AFK dmg off healing rain.
Rdruids gotta run up and melee or throw a wet noodle moonfire and sunfire.
MIND YOU SUNFIRE HITS NOTHING ./cry
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this class is still unplayable mess. It needs like 50% buff to even be relevent. It need tree overhauls. I dont invite them to anything in TWW even if im in need of a healer because i dont want my key depleted when they cant heal content.
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Why argue. Resto either sucks or it doesnt. Just because you can work hard to mitigate some of the suck doesnt change the fact.
You should read what you typed before trusting sites like raiderio and other websites that don’t seem to track things.
The power of the ability was the absorb portion not the healing, druids can do similar hps if you under heal things and allow hots to generate, evoker is very frontloaded.
If healing surge crits it makes it a 75k mana cast after the mana is given back, which is more then regrowth that also has free procs and crits 40% more, chain heal and riptide reduce this bonus even further. Thanks for telling someone who plays a shaman how a shaman works.
3 spells and mana tide returns very little mana and has the same healing as a swift mended regrowth.
2000 mana a cast is not much considering I get 13-14mil mana back a dungeon on my rdruid which is triple what I get on my shaman from resurgence and mana spring.
My riptide caps out at 1.4-1.5mil you stack 0 mastery so it isnt increased by hp. The fact you think riptide does anything shows you have no idea how shaman works. I suggest looking at some logs for mythic+ and raids and seeing where their healing is from.
Everyone has the weak aura to show casts on people, it is required for 10 and upwards for every healer, esp in pugs.
Master shiftshaper gives mana back on starfire and the cost of our spells are almost nothing compared to other classes, make use of blooming way more every regrowth is basically a free 100% dam starfire that gives back 2% of your mana.
[World of Warcraft (gyazo.com)](https://gyazo.com/f836e4c4a4e087ff532860ce7fcef75a)
Rshaman true hps and mana is far less then druids in terms of overall, they just have very bursty healing combos which are easu and their damage is far easier to get out.
Rshamans are just far easier and rdruids require a lot of ramp which means u need to know the dungeon well.
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Yes poison cleaning is super strong for everything this is something every healer hates.
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That is why rshaman is easier you have way more buttons to react to damage going out so you don’t actually need to know what is happening.
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Again it doesn’t really do that much bursting healing it does less then efflo does overall.
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They cant silence they can knock which we can do and half the dps classes can purge so this isn’t really mandatory.
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Ankh is a 18 minute cd and does not have a brez. The lust thing has been a thing for ever and rdruid was still meta last 2 expacs.
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Vers buff is far stronger for keys and raid then mastery buff, the extra attack is a nice thing to have for melee but is about a 1% increase.
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Rdruids do more if you use blooming correctly and are moonfire/sunfiring. Again shamans are just easier then rdruids but rdruids are extremely good for mythic+ and raiding if your not overhealing (every pug is like 3-4 healers more than they should have).
You have far more defensive capabilities as a rdruid then a rshaman. Their totem is 2minute cd which gives less shield than my bear form gives me extra hp.
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We’re fine
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I rolled a shaman over the weekend to see if you could really tell the difference between Rdruid and Rshaman.
HOW CRAP! Rshaman at base level 80 gear is out healing by 600 gs druid by 200k HPS.
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Idk what yall are doing, but I’m a Rdruid main I started this season n I’m at 2650 io, people invite you, you jus t have to be good at the game figure out what works and run with it. Seriously the people saying you can’t do high end content haven’t seen anything yet, yes shaman is picked a majority of the time, but that doesn’t mean you can’t run your own key, or, just upgrade one key at a time until they’re all at a blanket level. Do all 9s, then 10, then 11 I promise you’ll get invited. Just craft your gear and upgrade like wdym no healing I have screenshots of me doing 2.09 mhps no lust in an 11cot
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Continuing the discussion from Resto druids still way behind: The skill cap on Resto Druid is just super high right now so those of us who get sweaty can play the class like it should be but the masses are struggling.
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Also depends on your co healers. If they are also high skilled, it will make a druid look bad because of how easy our hots can be sniped.
If your co healers are chilling OR the raid is being under healed, then druid looks decent on paper. But… we still dont have a great answer for burst damage, which is highly prevalent in modern wow.
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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GcLdgjD3rVzNk9qA#fight=63&type=summary
https://gyazo.com/f836e4c4a4e087ff532860ce7fcef75a
Dude,
Your photo says, Grim Batol 28:56.
Your warcraft logs reflect this same Grim Batol 28:56.
This happens to be your only Grim Batol that hits 28.56 your lowest complete time. A holy priest healed it. Here is some information to refresh your mind.
|Tanks:|Durrious- blood dk
|DPS:|balance - Fyshles aug-Elimi survival- Jukikii
|Healers:|| hpriest-Bittehkitteh
You played Balance Druid.
You didn’t heal.
You have not healed.
This is your lowest completion time your photo confirms it and your warcraft logs and raider Io extra CONFIRMS it.
You are a liar.
Restoration Druid is not as good as Restoration Shaman.
Please quit lying, its truly a disgusting trait.
Especially the denial when caught.
I’m done with this conversation there is nothing more to say because you are just going to lie again.
True, same could be said of any competent healer healing with not so competent healers though. I felt better in raid this week, but still think resto druid needs some fundamental changes in both raid and m+. They really murdered our talent tree this expac. I do not think we are absolutely horrible though. I’d really like to see some changes to make us a competitive raid choice more than anything.
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