Be like them. Be the best you can be within the rules.
Warlocks cant double jump. Rogues don’t have gpyro. We make the most of it.
That’s the crux of the issue. They end up walking back on stuff constantly when beta tells them the issue for months. I understand it’s their vision, I really and truly do. But it feels insulting to be told they’re digging their heels in only to change tune in just a few weeks after launch when beta was telling them the issue from the start. It’s very frustrating.
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Exactly. It’s extremely frustrating and even more frustrating to see people try and back them up even when they are punched in the face with reality every xpac for over half a decade now.
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I think what the OP is referring to, is the useless baby crying kids seems to be fond of these days. They don’t offer anything useful. No positive feedback on what they do like. No constructive criticism or even a bother to offer what kind of changes in place of what they don’t like. They just expect devs to be mind readers and cater to their desires, like a bunch of spoiled brats. I am tired of seeing it myself.
It is healthy to communicate what we don’t like and how we think improvements could be made, but that is not what is communicated probably 80% of the time. In addition, everyone seems to forget that they are not the only single players, and that other people have different opinions on what they do and don’t like. There is an expectation that Blizz needs to just “fix the game.” Well, there are thousands of different opinions on what this would entail, and most of those opinions would conflict.
In the end, it IS their game. They have a vision for it. If EVERYONE had the same opinions, there would be a heck of a higher chance of changes being made to cater to those opinions. Not to mention the pressures they probably have from publishers that help ensure they have funding to keep existing as a company.
Obviously, this does not pertain to everyone. Also obvious, some changes that are more widely desired do not change. If I wanted to spend the time and effort, I will bet there is a reason behind-the-scenes that we are not really aware of. It could also be they just flat out won’t do it, and there is no excuse for them.
I think the OP is not intending to just outright say Blizz is amazing and they have no faults. Neither am I. Just saying, instead of crying about what you once had or wish you had, try to enjoy it for what it is, and offer constructive criticism in hopes to make the future better.
You obviously haven’t read the beta forums for the last 3 expansions doing exactly what you say people aren’t doing.
Edited to take more into consideration. I have read the forums for each beta. I have seen changes based on those, and also some changes that I think SHOULD have been made due to the amount of feedback that did not. Still does not change the fact that there is a lack of healthy and constructive feedback, in comparison to kids just flat out complaining.
I want to cry^^ ahah exactly that. Thank you
Is the artist ready to deal with the consequence of sub drops?
In a lot of sense you are right. They are the developers, we are the players. We give feedback, but decision making is entirely in their hands. And I agree with paying more respect, not just to developers, but to each other, and in general.
However, I will say this. Even if they design the game, they are not a good representation of the entire player population. This is why feedback is important. Can they objectively listen to all sides? Can they objectively look at a design not just from the point of view of the makers, but also the receivers? What metrics are they basing their decision making on?
You talk about arrogance, but isn’t this terribly arrogant of you too? Just because you don’t want it that means others can’t have it? Just because it’s acceptable to you others should accept it? No. Remember this, it’s not childish to want to be the best when certain game content asks you to be competitive. If you lose the motivation to be better, then you will never be. If that’s how you play the game, great. But that’s not how I play the game.
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They listened. They disagree with you. Move along or move on.
People have this weird assumption that Blizzard is holding a gun to their heads and making them play. If you don’t like what the game has? Play another. There are plenty of alternatives out there, and some are free to play.
I may not of liked what Shadow Priest was in Legion or BFA, or Shadowlands (before the changes) but I accepted it and played other classes. I still gave my feedback on why I felt it was a bad thing, and lo-and-behold, they agreed with it.
But to pretend I had no options or that I somehow was ‘forced’ to play Priest? That would of been intellectual dishonesty. And that was something that I never said once. If the game was not worth the monthly sub, I’d of gone to FFXIV or The Old Republic.
So I played Mage, Hunter, and Warlock in the interim and those were still fun. Shadow is now fun, so I will play it and enjoy. Try doing the same lest you give yourself an ulcer or something worse from the stress you are creating within yourselves over nothing.
*- Post not directed at Lucrend specifically, but rather all who naysay Blizzard. I simply replied to his post as it was a robust example of the problem and inherent arrogance that exists within this community.
This is exactly what has been done.
Look I love WoW. I love the lore, I love raiding, and there’s a lot of nostalgia here. Many of us are seasoned players and want nothing more than a game we can enjoy for the next two years.
This threat of “go and play another game” has been done and is currently being done. Every time the game goes through a sub drop it’s being done. People are finding new games.
Speaking for myself, I did not play through Hellfire Citadel, Tomb of Sargeras, or The Eternal Palace. Because I grew tired of the systems in place.
Again this threat of “go and find another game” is exactly what the subs drops are. And for the record I didn’t go to FFXIV, or The Old Republic, in fact I didn’t find another MMO. I just found other games/hobbies.
edit: some spelling
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It’s just hilarious that the OP thinks we’re just that stupid as to believe that we have no option but to deal with “consequences” that are foisted on us by a development team that shows zero respect for its paying customers and wants them to suffer.
Subscribers will pull the ripcord themselves and stop playing, regardless of how many chirpies come to the forums to tell us we have no choice.
If you, OP, have made the only meaningful choice for players to not play the game at all, then that is the clear choice you have chosen to offer your paying customers.
If the only way to win is not to play, well there you go.
None of the people you think you are convincing with this harangue are reading it. Players barely come to the forums anymore. Players will leave when they find it’s not fun, or that they wasted their time when they were misled about expansion features.
It doesn’t matter how many times you tell people that they aren’t smart enough to figure out whether they’re having fun or not, and you can tell them the right kind of fun they will be permitted to have. They aren’t listening to you. They will just leave.
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Never intented to tell to people what fun they should have, just to accept the fact that the game is build this way for the next patch, deal with it. You like it, stay, enjoy, have fun. You don’t ? Play something else… You don’t HAVE to play WoW, nobody is forcing you i promise.
Also, you made me laugh so much with " its paying customers and wants them to suffer." I’m sure they are all in their offices saying “soooo how can we piss them off today”. Come on… I’m certain this is beneath you.
How did you come to the conclusion that they don’t want feedback based on what the OP said?
This is what the OP is talking about. You just made that up out of no where. No one ever said they didn’t want feedback.
Feedback doesn’t mean whatever you say they should do verbatim. It just means it adds to the discussion and the dev team as the final word.
Nobody has to deal with anything. Nobody has to pay respect to a development team that clearly doesn’t care whether their customers are getting a premium entertainment product that has any entertainment value whatever.
I don’t know why you and the dev team are working so hard to drive away customers and turn this from the biggest MMORPG in the game to a tiny harcore game with a cult following (that wouldn’t even include you!). But that’s the end point I see.
Maybe by the time you guys get done punishing the playerbase for having made you lose face during the wod flight removal debacle there will still be enough players to keep the servers up. Maybe not.
Keep working at it. There are still customers who haven’t decided to leave yet. You can still convince them to take up some other hobby.
They don’t care about feedback. They know what players think. They think we’re wrong and should be ignored.
No. It’s the fact that people who pay good money for an entertainment product want it to be entertaining. They aren’t buying it to make you happy that they were willing to put up with arbitrary pointless annoyances.
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They deserve a little hate.
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Well that’s exactly what the alleged 1%'s are going to do.
When the raid opens up we are each going to open up icy-veins to find out what the flavor of the month built is for our main spec. If the guild is demanding a respec then we do the 2 week challenge to spec.
We’ve worked around Azerite, essences, corruption, legion legendaries.
Just because we were able to work around them doesn’t mean they were enjoyable nor does it mean is didn’t come at a loss of subscribers.
I don’t think the devs are truly out to burn WoW to the ground. But I believe they are misguided.
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I think you (among other people) need to understand that people can enjoy the game yet have valid criticisms about certain aspects of that game.
I know you said the post wasn’t specifically directed at me but this comment is directed at many people as well.
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Horrible take. There is no way I can take anything you say serious now.
Just end your sub if you feel this way. It’s what I would do if I felt ignored.
“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it” - George Santayana
OP and all those that agree with her/him… i am going to assume didnt play the last 2 expacs or didnt know about all the feedback that was given to the key systems for Legion and BFA.
Legion legendaries - players giving feedback on the system in alpha and beta. Fixed near the end of the expac following the same feedback that players gave and most people liked the change.
BFA azerite - players giving feedback on the system in alpha and beta. Fixed 2 patches into the expac following the same feedback that players gave and most people liked the change.
(tldr i unsubbed during the first patch cuz i wasnt going to deal with a broken system again, just recently got back into it cuz SL showed promise)
Shadowlands covenants - players giving feedback on the system before launch… again… since alpha and beta.
HMMMMM i see a trend, can you spot it?
to the OP yes there are angry people out there that are baby raging at blizzard but… given their 6 year sh*t show history (including WoD) can you really blame them… and dismissing it as being arrogant is SUPER disingenuous at best… and if you really are a content creator… do a bit of self reflecting… stay humble, stay hungry… itll elevate your content to the next level
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