Unfortunately which is exactly why gdkps can’t/shouldn’t come back…
Gdkps ended up being punished by the consequences of the playerbase actions
No, GDKP ended up being punished as a consequence of Blizzard failing to enforce bans on RMTers.
Do you hold the same opinion of flyhackers?
(If GDKP wasn’t a direct, mass, repeated infusion of RMT gold into the economy inflating everything else, I wouldn’t care.)
Are mage portals only acquirable on a lockout?
Are quests repeatable on a lockout? No?
Then go for it.
There’s a specific trade slot for BoP items to be enchanted in a trade window, so that one is the easiest yes.
Quite simple:
One is a rare drop from open world that can be acquired by anyone out there doing pretty much anything, with an extremely low chance.
The other is a set of guaranteed drops from instanced repeatable content.
I.E. There’s a LOT more ArcanoShredders out there than there are Gut Rippers, and those being bought with gold is direct RMT infusion into the economy on a regular basis. (I’m not going to pretend that people who are buying the Gut Ripper aren’t also using RMT to do it… but buying all five gutrippers’s currently on the AH on my server right now, would inject about 4300 gold into the economy to 4 people. (One person selling 2 Gut Rippers…I suspect a flip) And then there wouldn’t be a Gut Ripper up there for days.
Simple math exercise for comparison.
Arcanoshredder seems to have about a 16% chance to drop.
Let’s say it went for exceedingly cheap for what it is: 100g. (It’s so much better than Gut Ripper it isn’t even close, so 1/8th the price is a bargain- and I’m pretty sure that Gut Ripper Price is down because P3 is 48 hours away.)
My server on the horde side had about 2000 raid logs last week. (20.1k players /10 = 2000 raids)
2000 raids x 0.16 for the drop chance is 322 Arcano Shredders.
322 Arcano Shredders at the Bargain price of 100g per is 32,000 gold added into the economy, weekly. (Let’s not pretend people went out and farmed 40-50 quests for the 100g to buy that one thing.)
That gold came from RMT directly through a seller, or from the pots of GDKPs where someone who bought gold bought their gear.
Even if we cut that in HALF and pretend half of these arcanos are being bought with legit gold from selling items & services or questing, that’s still 16,000 RMT gold entering the economy per week. Just from Arcanoshredder in GDKP.
(If we cut it in half again and say that only half the server logs are GDKP… that’s still almost twice as much gold as someone buying ALL of the Gutrippers right now.)
Yes, for the reasons above. (Even the DM Arcane Crystal Farm has a lower drop rate than the ArcanoShredder.)
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Buddy most of them did gdkps that was one of the reasoning
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dude you really are set on Swiping for gear and gold. After being explained to very well about the blizzard hacks team and how they enforce botting RMT etc, here you are. Making false and misleading claims for which you have no information, knowledge, or data to back up.
GDKPs are gone bc the GDKP community was cheating via illicit RMT repeatedly in virtually EVERY GDKP run. You can say your GDKPs didnt all you want. Blizzard security team has the overall data, anyone that applies an unbiased lens to the evaluation of GDKPs, and anyone with any integrity that every participated in a GDKP or was in a discord that was running a GDKP was fully aware of the shady business occurring in GDKPs.
Its time for you to move to a version of the game with GDKP if you need them to enjoy the game. Retail and WoTLK both have them. Please go to one of those. Please go to wotlk and wonder why a Krol Blade costs over 2k and why it is virtually impossible to raid with out pulling out the credit card to buy gold to get into GDKPs. GDKPs are not returning to SOD because they are game destroying cancer. MOVE ON.
It’s hard to take this post seriously when you’re asking me if I hold the same opinion on bots as I do players, but I’ll try.
Lockouts - Are things now sellable/unsellable based on a lockout?
Enchants - that makes sense.
Arcanoshredders - yeah that’s just not how it works especially with the absurd assumption that all of this gold is completely RMT gold, and even more assumptions are made about its demand to inflate numbers. None of this accounts for uncontested loot. Arcanoshredders would mostly rot in my group.
But yes, I understand that GDKPs incentivize RMT, just like the epic mounts will at 60, and so I will throw out some of my own numbers on that as well based on your logic and using your 20.1k players who will be buying an epic mount at what, 800g each?
20.1k x 800g = 16,080,000g
That’s 16,080,000 RMT gold that will be entering the economy, no?
Edit: I’d also like to point out that the 100g that goes towards the Arcanoshredder in your example will eventually be used to purchase another Arcanoshredder, and then another, and so on. GDKP gold recirculates. Theoretically, 100g from RMT can be re-used to purchase billions of Arcanoshredders for everyone.
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I mean, I wish I could sell people their Epic mounts, but sadly the gold doesn’t go to me…
Is playing the game not reward enough? How is \roll not fair? Why do you need to be rewarded for everything you do? If you are not enjoying the game don’t play.
If you are in a guild and form relationships you would want to help your friends and guildmates gear up. Again, if the game is fun you should enjoy playing and don’t need to be rewarded for your time. Do you charge your friends an hourly rate to hang out with you?
So much of this is just not true. There are tonnes of pug groups. Your quote of 20% might have been true when GDKP was allowed but I bet that number is much higher now. This is an MMO not an online action game like Destiny. If you want to consistently clear content and get gear then you need to put in the time. It’s the same IRL. If you want to ensure you get a chance to play basketball every week, you join a league that has a schedule. If you rely on pick up games at the gym and show up and 3am, good luck!
This is the most problematic point you make. Give people a shortcut to win by using gold. You get the benefits without having to play the game. Again, if you are enjoying the game, you wouldn’t want to take shortcuts. Also, this point is why Blizz banned GDKP. It incentivizes RMT. The same people who agree with this point are the people that are most vulnerable to the temptation of RMT.
This is most akin to gambling and incentivizes RMT.
In summary. No. GDKP is awful for WoW. Period.
There is no political solution here.
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You’ve made it further than probably 95% of players who have tried this game. Cope that you’re a normal guy
The amount of people here posting on their lvl 70 retail characters makes me wonder if any of you guys even understand why GDKP became popular on classic in the first place.
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If pugs and guild run cease to exist because of GDKPs, that indicates that players are not at all happy with either the progression or how loot is distributed. In any of those cases it is not the fault of the GDKPs
Now the summons are at 1g and the consumables are stagnant in price at this point in the phase, it is only because people no longer bother raiding, much less uploading alters.
You have demonstrated what a failure p2 has been, at least in p1 BFD was still being done thanks to the gdkps.
#GobackGDKPs
I’m curious, do you have stats to backup these claims? Because I am 100% sure Blizzard does.
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My point is that even in a perfect world, GDKP have horrible consequences.
Its a lose-lose scenario for any sane player.
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They aren’t scarce. And we dont need to pretend people focus on RMT isnt the endgame boss gear, no need to be dishonest.
If the entire boss loot table dropped every fight then gdkps would make no sense to exist and the bids would be extremely low.
Ya but then you would be ignoring the fact that the GDKP ban in fact reduced the amount of bots and RMT.
And as i stated even in a perfect world whitout bots and rmt, gdkp would just suck in all the economy on itself.
There is no way out of the rabbit hole, GDKP is by itself horrible.
I think you should grind the BiS prof items and sell them to do your gold, as they are intended to because thousands participate in the economy, at least several people can do them directly and indirectly, same cant be said about raid drops.
Most of the hardcore defenders definately are.
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The council of the Elders has analyzed your request and found it to be impressively idiotic.
Denied.
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Completely ignored by blizz, ever since they made the announcement claiming to be “listening” to feedback.
Except that money goes into a gold sink, not directly into the player economy.
There’s a big difference between the two, and at the very least Blizzard can just take away the mount in that case. Blizzard can’t easily do that with gold that has been traded to another player, and possibly traded/spent further after that.
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We are not being ignored.
Stay the ban.
Era and WotLK display the results of ignoring.
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Once again, it’s the laundering argument, where Blizzard claims that the laundering happens AFTER the gold reaches the hands of the customers?
I’ve watched enough Breaking Bad, so I’ll take a crack at the process:
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Bot clusters farm mats and mail these mats to their AH characters.
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AH characters sell the mats on AH and then sell this gold to RMT companies.
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RMT companies divide this gold among their distributors.
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Distributors sell gold to consumers.
This is just an estimated minimal guess and it’s very likely that the gold is mailed or traded numerous more times before reaching the hands of consumers. If someone out there knows or has a “friend” who knows about the inner workings of the RMT industry, feel free to correct me and please do.
Anyway, if Blizzard is claiming that the laundering happens after the gold reaches the consumers, is this Blizzard admitting that they have no way to track the gold through all these steps before it’s “laundered”? If the gold hasn’t been banned between all these steps, then Blizzard is unable to differentiate between players and bots, and so in their eyes, the gold has already been traded from player to player to player. If it’s the gold sellers and bots themselves that are participating in GDKPs, then yes I can agree that GDKPs are used to launder gold, but that’s clearly not the case.
No matter the process, if the gold can safely reach the hands of the customers, then it is already laundered. Let’s not blame this laundering on GDKPs.
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