You’re braindead 
How about… NOooo!
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Perhaps it’s time for Blizzard to shed more light on this issue. No matter what stance we all take on this issue, I’m sure we’re all curious about the results of this experiment.
Blizzard, has the GDKP ban improved the bot situation?
If it has indeed improved the RMT/Botting situation, then I am 100% fine with the GDKP ban, as long as we remain consistent and apply this ban to Cata as well to uphold the game’s integrity. Please do so before the release of Cata to reduce as much damage as possible.
If not, then many of us will be forced to view this GDKP ban as a complete failure, and I request for it to be lifted from SoD.
Bring back P2W, and the path of least resistance to BiS.
We can’t be bothered to MMO.
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Yeah i bet you cannot believe you typed out 12 paragraphs and i replied with 1 sentence and shut your entire argument down
It’s the same sentiment
Guns dont kill people
GDKP doesnt cause RMT
blame the individuals and take action on their accounts.
blame the killers who use a gun as their tool to murder people
dont take it out on the legitimate players who use GDKP as a a way to raid casually without commitment
dont take it out on the hunters who use guns as their tool to gather food for their families
No. And also no.
GDKP would have never got off the ground without inflated pots from RMT.
Would have never been so popular by a long shot, never gained so many defenders who deny the facts.
Don’t even get started on the people making big money, earning a living from it.
As if these people won’t say anything to protect their grift…
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Just the fact that things like “Pure Buyers” 3-8k min bids and anywhere from 5 to 35% cut for organizing these things makes a serious case for RMT heavy influence.
I disagree with your position here, but have to acknowledge you at least have a fair point. And again, I’m trying to encourage the few folks that don’t support GDKP and actually seem to present rational, thoughtful reasons, to continue to post - appreciate it.
I think you’re right, GDKP was made much more popular because of its link to RMT and the associated high pots. Streamers and videos showed items going for insane gold amounts and everyone got excited. I’m sure a good number of players dove into the GDKP scene because of it.
I’m arguing that GDKP (and any other reason players wish to freely exchange gold) should be allowed, while the bans on RMT and botting should be enforced.
I want an environment where GDKPs are run using only legitimately, in-game farmed gold, and swipers that use their gold in GDKPS, or on AH BOEs, or to buy mounts, or whatever, are gone.
Anyway, cheers!
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You can’t have both though.
You cant have BiS gear beign auctioned, if BiS gear is auctioned it wil lead to RMT, its a well know fact since EQ 1.
The reaity is that Gdkp increases demand for gold, in a world where several companies specialised in gold farming and bot programing exists the consequences for any online game is obvious.
But lets say that boom, with the drastical advances of AI we all banned every RMT possible. Now lets make GDKP even more viable.
The best of the best GDKP solution would make all raid items BoE then people would farm them and sell in the AH. So you finally did what gdkp intend to, divide the playerbase by farmers and buyers.
And that would obliterate gameplay specially for new players who would never ever catch up in gold at the same rate inflation of BiS keeps up and since you pretty much made raider the to go profession anyone that doesnt raid will have to even if they didnt want to else they wont be able to keep up with the gold inflation it causes.
Its just a dead end, if you let gdkp it ruins the economy and gameplay harshly and if you make it viable as it intend to be, you utterly destroy all aspects of the game aside what? questing? Oh ya people will boost for gold so they can buy gdkp so even questing can be affected.
GDKP in the end is a blackhole everything will circle around it and all other ways will be sub-optimal in the sructure you have in both wow retail and classic.
And we are considering here all tha with no RMT, RMT just catalyse the inevitable because people make money from it, and lets face it, there are people inside blizzard prolly making money from it aswell.
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I think his point is to actually enforce RMT and gold buyers bans instead of banning GDKP
GDKP can exist without RMT, if RMT was eliminated. But blizzard cant handle that clearly.
Or doesn’t want to because of the monetary loss.
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Huge W
Again, very much appreciate rational counter you took the time to post. Thank you.
Example: Dreamweave Gloves are craftable BiS gear for me. Should Auctioning these on the AH, or crafting them and trading them to another player for gold, be banned? It obviously incentivizes RMT.
No, we should enforce the ban on RMT, but allow players to trade/bid on this item as intended.
Slippery slope - but you just nailed it. I’ve avoided saying it, but I think deep down most understand the truth. Bots and RMT are profitable for Blizzard, and GDKP was an unfortunate scapegoat to create the appearance something is being done.
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Slippery slope - but you just nailed it. I’ve avoided saying it, but I think deep down most understand the truth. Bots and RMT are profitable for Blizzard, and GDKP was an unfortunate scapegoat to create the appearance something is being done.
truth is that if they wanted to ban most bots, banning VPN IP addresses should be the first step.
If other games can ban players from joining their servers, blizzard can do the same thing
This is a great example that I would like to further elaborate on, as it is essentially the reason that the comparison between GDKPs and the AH are frequently brought up.
If a player RMTed gold to buy Dreamweave Gloves, should the player be banned or should the Dreamweave Gloves be banned?
In this scenario, Blizzard chose to ban the Dreamweave Gloves.
Do we really want Blizzard to continue solving issues in this manner?
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or we can use DKP, but with a currency that everyone has access too so all can use it. mb gold.
500 posts in I just want to say thanks to everyone that offered something constructive to this thread, both for and against GDKP. I’ve read it all, and appreciate all the opinions.
Its hard to not instantly dislike a person when you read something they post that you disagree with, maybe its presented harshly or in some insulting fashion, but remember.
Anyone that takes the time to read and post on these forums loves this game, and probably has for years or decades – something we all share that makes us much more alike than 99.9% of the other shmoes you pass on the street. If you met the forum poster that’s ticking you off in RL, you’d probably have a lot to talk about.
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The pure gdkps are a sacrifice we’re willing to make.
Agreed, I stopped playing in p2 and don’t plan to play SoD until they bring GDKP back or offer an alternative.
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