Oh look at those moving goal posts.
See how they run.
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You got me, next time I’ll clarify and be hyper specific and say “threads about survival design philosophy”
Just in case you need more clarification
I’ll also reframe from using words like “every” as well because I know that word triggers some people into needing to correct that it’s not literally every single one
You’re the one complaining about not being able to talk about MSV without interference from RSV people, and when shown proof complaining it wasn’t the right kinds of conversations.
We done here?
?
Are you kidding me?
1 thread from 6 months ago that was 8 posts long
Surely you can find something better than that
That’s the example you decided to run with?
No, because when left alone, that’s how long 99.9% of MSV threads are.
The big threads are only big, because some how or another RSV gets brought up and an argument ensues.
But I notice those goal posts were running again.
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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/survival-hunters-going-forward/727006/30
The thread under this
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/survival-enough-complaining-lets-talks-solutions/646367/207
The 200 long thread 2 under this one?
Would you like to retract your 99.9% number or would you like me to keep linking a few more and attempting to be as condescending as I can?
Oh, so you don’t care about threads talking about RSV then…
Because both those threads have RSV brought up in them less than 30 posts in.
I mean come on man. The 1st 20 posts in the 2nd one is basically Bepples berating the OP about ranged vs melee.
But hey, keep pretending that threads about MSV get large on their own merit.
The case is that, for 12 years Hunter was a ranged class. Whether or not one spec was similar to the other, they were ranged and the playstyle was a bit - to - a lot different depending on content.
Warriors aren’t ranged. Rogues aren’t ranged. Priests aren’t melee. Warlocks aren’t melee (except demonic in TBC for a cooldown, even then wasnt melee really). Mages aren’t melee. etc.
They could have just created another melee class, and they did; Demon HUNTER. Blizzard and devs entirely changed the class by adding a melee spec. It was silly to do. They doubled down on spec identity, and decided the melee option that were practically removed from survival 2010 should be the main identity of the spec 6 years later.
Dev 1: “you guys remember raptor strike?”
Dev 2: “yeah man i miss the melee option of hunters.”
Dev 1: “well crap, lets make a melee hunter!”
Dev 2: “yeh!”
Community: “cant we just have those spells back for utility and not a whole spec”
Dev(s): “you think you do, but you don’t.”
…1 year later…
Dev 2: “what did we do?!”
Dev 1: “shut up. we got this, just double down. we will make it better.”
14 years of a spec removed, it’s only been 4 years, we have more time to complain and not give up. Definitely not time to let it go.
There are more threads arguing and discussing Ranged Survival and its return because more people have played it, and more people enjoy it than what the current Melee Survival is.
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Stop moving the goal post
And thanks for further adding validation to me saying it’s hard to discuss survival with out people derailing it, as you’ve just done it
I think ranged survival was only around from WotLK - WoD, before that a few raid groups would bring them for buff for the rogues in BC
By the time shadow lands rolls over survival would have been a semi melee semi ranged spec for over half of its life cycle
Realistically the real thing we have to blame here is blizzard removing the range/melee weapons and making everything so one dimensional
My goal posts never moved.
You’re the one claiming that you can’t talk about MSV without being bothered by RSV. I’ve proven that you can.
My second claim was that 99.9 of MSV never get large or go anywhere, which is not in conflict with my first claim.
You know this whole debate lord is a waste of my time and I’m now having a nice talk with this other gentleman whilst you’re screeching at me about complete semantics
I can’t even have a dignified talk with another bloke about the difference in philosophy of ranged and melee survival without someone screeching at me
So you’re mad that you were proven wrong.
It sucks, but it’s going to happen, and if you don’t like people responding to things you’ve said, don’t make them publicly.
well before WotLK -WoD Survival was a Ranged Utility spec, focusing on survivability. Like decreasing cooldown on detorence or defensive spells, increasing viability/use of traps, and well utility. But it was still range based. Though, all specs had access to Raptor strike and wingclip.
is this me or another thread?
I’d say you are more likely wasting our/my time. This entire thread, “ammunition spec,” infers a ranged aspect. Talking of the current melee is counter intuitive to the main premise of the thread. Though your opinion is welcome in my view. I wouldn’t say im screeching. im merely educating you on my/our point of view
It had more melee damage abilities in it than ranged abilities believe it or not, mongoose bite has been in the kit from vanilla.
I believe in BC they got something else for range and they got a buff that increased AP and I think a huge boost to agility that started setting their ranged damage off due to steady shot
Largely this spec didn’t have a whole lot going on aside from group utility
Then In WotLK it became a ranged spec with the addition of ranged damage abilities
Until WoD
And yeah I said you were screeching at me, everyone loves getting in fights on the forums because we get passionate about stuff
I think most the people I like on the forums started with a fight hahaha
However the whole ammo spec thing taking over survival indicates an end to melee survival, which is my currently main spec and I can’t do with losing another one
My lord, you got me on the use of the world “every”
Truly you are some kind of intellectual power house and no one should cross your unsurpassed wit and sheer skill at debate
You should consider a career in youtube debates
In TBC attack power was both ranged and melee not just, “ranged attack power” or “attack power”. Attack power as a stat effected both. Also the other melee move was a talent called Counter Attack usable after a parry and immobilized the target.
Hunters using melee prior to Legion in 2016, were using those abilities primarily to slow the enemy and kite them. Melee was never a focus of the class or spec till it became what it is now in legion (2016, 12 years later after its creation).
this is literally how people felt going into legion.
maybe you shouldn’t have let go of your argument about your rogue.
Just go find the other “hunter” main, the Demon “Hunter”. It’s a melee class thats really mobile, doesn’t rely much on RNG or rolling dice, its got utility, its needed/liked in mythics, and there isn’t much change to it. also its got that little bit of range capability with the glaive tossess. Oh crap, the Devs made two melee hunter specs with legion…
I believe it was master tactician and another one that were ranged based in bc
I think they required ranged hits to proc both effects, one was a hunter damage amp and they other was a boost to agility for party members on the target
I’ll never play a filthy elf demon edge lord wind walker monk clone
I will forever think that was a stupid class addition.
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