Google can say whatever it wants. It doesnt own this game or decide what merits griefing in the world of warcraft
That statement means nothing, there are actual definitions of words. And one look at any forum or in any server discord will tell you that colloquially people consider camping BRM with the intent of killing people for or purging people for their world buffs is griefing. By any definition available of the word it also fits into this category. You can pull all the mental gymnastics you want it doesnât change that.
There are, and how they are interpreted are completely at the hands of those in power. In this case Blizzard.
So if this is truly griefing then report it. Send them a google definition in the report. Im sure that will sway Blizzard for banning those people engaging in PvP on a PvP server
Blizzard considered alliance groups camping a graveyard in av to be griefing, a battleground where you sign up to pvp and can leave back to safety at the click of a button, they indirectly said if it continued that the people doing it would be punished. Whatâs the difference between camping a gy there or camping a gy in searing gorge?
Report it. Were talking about people fighting at the entrance of BWL
This notion that blizzard responds to reports is completely laughable and you know it. Everybody is aware of the current botting situation and no amount of reports is doing anything, if they canât even deal with blatant botting being mass reported theyâre certainly not going to respond to griefing.
You want to argue the definition of griefing and quoting âpvp happened on a pvp serverâ, i want you to tell me the difference between 40 alliance camping a graveyard in alterac valley (pvp happening) and the difference between 40 horde camping the entrance to bwl (pvp happening) and why one was considered griefing by blizzard so much so that they put a stop to it and why one was completely ignored
Thatâs better than trying to rob others of âand entire aspect of the gameâ just because you personally donât want to use it. Heâs suggesting a purely selfish change that unnecessarily screws everyone else.
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The amount of support in this thread alone shows that this doesnât âunnecessarily screw everyone elseâ
Some people would not be happy with it changing if it did, and some would. Any opinion in either direction is going to be based in some level of selfishness. For me personally though I could keep getting world buffs indefinitely it wouldnât effect me too heavily other than how itâs effecting my serverâs health and many others. Itâs also causing things like mentioned earlier where guilds that get full buffs are able to completely ignore mechanics like firemawâs flame buffet. With full world buffs you can wear 0 fire resistance, never run out and kill the fight before it matters, you can even completely ignore wing buffets.
You know as well as anyone else that black lotus changes came about as a result of RMT activity surrounding them. I am unaware of any such issue that involves world buffs.
You think all these alliance players with horde priests to mind control for WCB are completely legit hand leveled?
If you feel a player has been using rmt paid leveling services or botting, you should report them. But realistically, most of these are legitimately leveled using in-game dungeon boosts, paid for via gold.
Leaving things as they are is not selfish. As I said before, you can already not use buffs if you donât want to. You could also raid with no potions, talents, gear, whatever. You have the choice. But itâs entirely selfish to try to remove the choice from other players against their will just to boost your own ego. If you want to ban something, then form your own raid, and prohibit its use in that raid. Good luck though, because youâll quickly realize you donât have the support you apparently think you do. If you really think this is something people want, then create a survey and throw it up. Iâll get a good chuckle looking at the overwhelming results crushing your side.
Iâm not sure where you think removing buffs would boost my ego. People are getting much bigger egos from the world buffs inflating their parses.
I see this as an integrity change. World buffs being this accessible isnât anything like original vanilla and itâs directly detrimental to server health.
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But why?
To me, the world buff dispel wars and brm battles are AMAZING. The drama is hilarious, the pvp is great, it creates a challenge and forces creative solutions to get your raid into the instance safely. We have cross-faction coalitions, spies, and a whole host of multifaceted excitement. Its not like theres much challenge left in this game, why not let this one remain?
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how would reducing the % that his class is ahead of everyone else inflate his ego? Iâm not following this logic at all. Again you are missing the point entirely regarding prohibiting its use within a singular raid
Cross faction coalitions are a breach of ToS. 300 people in BRM isnât PvP itâs just lag with aoe. Purging isnât pvp.
Removing world buffs from raids entirely would put some of the challenge back into the game so that directly contradicts your last point.
So these statements completely contradict one another. Maybe when you pull in a guildie you guys should collaborate better
Do they take action or do they ignore reports? Obviously since weve seen them take actions they arent ignoring reports. They simply dont agree with you that raids wiping raids is griefing. Asking me what the difference is is pointless as i dont get to choose what is and isnt.
Thats why i say report them. If Blizzard agrees (as youve stated theyve done in AV) Then they will take action
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He didnât pull me in kek, I use these forums on a daily basis, its as if you think me and marty are a hydra and we have the same opinions
I didnât pull in a guildy he came here of his own volition, the AV griefing wasnât changed due to reports it was changed due to threads like this one and posts on reddit. The botting problem didnât get anywhere near as mainstream until after that change was already implemented.
Itâs undeniable that blizzard isnât responding to reports, again youâre pulling these weird mental gymnastics but you completely whiff on your point.