Sure, but the biggest driver isn’t going to be an individuals buffs, it’s going to be the raids overall buffs.
That is why it was suggested that there be seperate categories for parses with/without world buffs on warcraftlogs and guild leaders can decide wich category they want to be in. Or you just add a flat % parse subtraction on everybodies parse if they use a world buff.
I think this thread is evidence enough there’s plenty of people who want to engage in being competitive parsers without the hassle of world buffs.
My guild has never mandated world buffs, and some raids we even ban world buffs, because our tanks feel if the dps gets them, they are forced to get them to hold threat. So every once in a blue moon, we do a no wb night, to give everyone a break.
I can see other guilds having no wb nights if this category was added. If you don’t need to get the buffs for every raid, it’ll feel better than it does now.
Yeah, I think it would be interesting to see it automatically counter WB. Bonuses and adjust the numbers based on it. I don’t see that happening though.
I like doing the best I can within reason but I am 100% burned out on WB at this point. I am burned out on most raids to be honest. I can’t wait for AQ just to have something fresh to do.
I don’t think logs can really “counter” WB and remove their dps value. If I crit, there’s really no information on whether that crit was from a WB or not.
What’s more likely is a system that sorts logs into one category if a character has a world buff and another category if a character does not. You’d have to have no world buffs for the entire fight duration to be sorted into the no wb category for obvious reasons.
The idea sounds great, but there are numerous world buffs, so it’s not as simple as a binary solution of WB or no WB categories. This would require someone to code and implement each WB combo that someone could get to achieve true parity.
For example say there are 7 distinct WBs, that would be 127 different possible combinations someone could have ranging from only having 1 to having them all.
You’re overcomplicating it.
If they have even one, it doesn’t go in the no WB category.
While we’re at it lets remove elixirs and engineering items and racials in raids so that way we can all be on a “level playing field”.
Quit crying over nothing.
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I’ll do you one better.
Remove world buffs from the game. Entirely.
why are you removing anything?
why are you trying to control other people?
if you dont want the buffs, dont get them. leave people alone.
Games have rules. Taking away a buff in a game is not like violating a human right. Nothing about the actual gameplay changes, only a stat boost.
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You’re overcomplicating it. If they have even one, it doesn’t go in the no WB category.
I think you’re oversimplifying it. If your goal is to achieve logs that can show everyone on an even playing field to have a better barometer of actual player skill, you’d need to take every scenario of WBs into consideration to adjust for.
I’d venture to guess most raiders have at least 1-3 WBs, they just don’t take the time to get them all - hence it’s not as simple as a binary yes or no WB log.
why do you care what other people are doing to buff themselves?
you’re so insecure about your dps that you want to FORCE other people to give up something they are freely choosing to do?
before you eliminate the CHOICE, have you offered 1 single reason why a CHOICE negatively affects people?
stop being so preoccupied with what other players are doing on their own time and worry about yourself.
World buffs only give the illusion of choice. You can say “just don’t get them” or whatever but the reality is in their current implementation any even remotely serious guild requires them. Any guild that has people that are competitive in it will want other people to get them so that they can continue to be competitive.
It has nothing to do with insecurity over parses. My parses are great.
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So correct me if I’m wrong but in TBC world buffs were removed from raiding? If they were not there I don’t see why they have to be in classic raiding either.
C’mon man, get your emotional argument out of here. I made a post earlier, all halfway decent players use them. I’m in a guild that’s casual, and I usually don’t go all out getting buffs, and I don’t really care to that extent about my DPS.
That said, thanks for your projection.
The problem is, you have to deal with ppl logging for buffs, and crying when they die, and complaining about “how easy content is.” Ya, ofc things are too easy when you’re doing TBC levels of dmg.
If you want to play with generally bad players, sure no buffs, but most people will optimize their character to the extent they can. When the optimization breaks the game, it needs to be addressed. Warriors shouldn’t be doing TBC damage, sorry, there has been proof in this thread already that this was not a gameplay intention.
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World buffs are only a problem if you let them be.
Get into the instance with them? Awesome. We cleared an ubrs last night to the bwl portal and had level 20 warlocks summoning folks to a safe spot. It was a fun added challenge for content that is a snooze with or without worldbuffs, and everyone got in with their buffs.
Lose them to a death on the way there, dispel, etc? Thats life. Better luck next week. Its not the end of the world and and it wont be the difference between clearing bwl or not.
I think the biggest problem here is the excessive importance people place on these buffs rather than just recognizing them for what they are - nice to have, but not game breaking if you dont, people who read logs without accounting for who had a buff and who didnt, etc.
I think there are a lot of people who need to take a step back and remember that not only is this just a game, its a game that was solved 15 years ago. This has all already been done. You’re not blazing any new trails. You’re not on the cutting edge of anything.
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Pretending that people aren’t going to try to be competitive is silly, you can’t call buffs “nice to have if you keep them” when keeping them is the difference between being competitive or not it’s such a massive downplay of their importance.
As for the comments earlier about elixirs and engineering they can all be purchased and brought to raid in your inventory, not even a remotely close comparison.
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