Remove voidform

Classes Priest
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For low M+ and Vision I go with:

  • Shadow Insight
  • San’layn -> Vamp Embrace is strong with void form, also helps with a group on M+ that chain pulls.
  • Dark void -> Great tool on quick aoe pulls, gets you set with dots on everything fast. Just make sure to vampiric touch the highest HP mobs first.
  • Mind bomb -> Depends on M+ group, if there’s a prot warrior no point taking it. Otherwise in vision it helps on aoe pulls. Pull large group, LOS, mind bomb and unleash.
  • Shadow crash or Aus spirit -> Depend on azerite.
  • Ling Insanity -> Obvious pick.
  • Legacy -> Obvious pick.

Stats are obviously haste / crit, but the higher you go the more you might want to get some vers along side haste. If you want more in-depth I could help ya, but this isn’t the thread for it. Talent choice will change also on high key depending on the group you have.

If you wish to do the classic troll move of “I insult your avatar / character” that is last year. No I do not show any characters, people nowadays have 0 respect and gets themselves banned by going full harass mode. You can ask Bepples on Hunter forum how he loved getting hate on discord / ingame.

There’s already a group of people here that dislike me for having a different opinion and loving something they hate. So much they reported every single reply on these forums.

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Well… everyone have to admit that every single time that one of this clowns comes saying they love voidform or that it works fine is either someone that is not a priest and doesn’t even have a priest profile to prove its experience on the class or has a profile with a priest that has done NOTHING on BFA… yeah… the good Odin.

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I have done nothing in BFA.
But I would consider myself “ahead of the curve” as Joker would say hahaha.

Maybe Azagorod is using some big brain thinking to come to his conclusion.

or not…

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Well you are the one limiting your thinking… saying it HAS to be one of those 3, its impossible that someone else actually loves it. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean everyone else on the planet will hate it too… that’s absurd logic.

I have done 15-16 and higher, I have done mythic raiding – though I am not fully invested in Mythic with 8.3, not looking to burn out myself on WoW. Whether you believe me or not is up to you.

People will mostly come on forums or any discussion platform to complain, those that actually enjoy things hardly bother to comment… they simply keep doing their routine. But when one actually say something positive or that they love, they get bombard by everyone that came to say otherwise.

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I didn’t report you. I pointed out exactly why, when you said

it was objectively false. I prefaced my reply with
“You need to play the spec when you aren’t wildly outgearing the encounters.”
to make sure that you understood where we are coming from, i.e. before the endgame where you are so far outgeared for the content that it doesn’t matter and even Shadow can clear stuff with ease.
You didn’t disagree with my points, but you came back and said

Anyone with a mouse attached to their computer can see the tooltips which explain exactly what each talent does.
You, sir, do not have a monopoly on the “secret shadow priest talent build that the government doesn’t want you to know about™”.

We have entire web sites DEDICATED to analyzing combat logs. We also have dedicated simulation programs. EVERYONE is comparing the classes against each other, both developers AND players. Sil pointed out the Eternal Palace situation. What caused that? Did they nerf the class because it was doing too well compared to the other classes, or did they shake the executive decision maker and it randomly came up “Nerf priests”? (#)
(#) on second thought, this might be a poor analogy, as this isn’t quite as farfetched as I initially thought

Just be advised that I sincerely believe you are not in a position to whine about trolling (see first quote), when you yourself obviously partake of it.

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I mean I haven’t done anything on my priest during BFA because I hated it right from the start (technically since void form was added in Legion, I just level my priest in hopes of changes) and every time I came back it was too much of a hassle to get caught up and get all the specific azerite and corruptions I needed to make the class “fun” lol.

But tbh I haven’t played much this expansion at all because almost all the classes have felt pretty garbage to play and the actual content hasn’t interested me whatsoever. Took a break, came back to unlock pathfinder, took another break, came back only so I can level some alts to prep for Shadowlands and figuring out what class to main going into it.

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the difference here being just about every single priest player or content creator unanimously want VF gone. (or atleast majorly reworked)

this is not a loud minority as is often the case… it’s a loud majority.

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Did i say i don’t like it? i didn’t… i actually love the void magic and all that stuffs, what i don’t like is the ramp up mechanic that makes all content harder for Spriest than for any other class/spec. that’s what i want to be removed or reworked.
Reading the forum i found out problems about Spriest that i didn’t actually know about and then i saw that they were correct… it has a lot of problems.
and i don’t come to the forum because i don’t like Spriest… it is my main and i will love it anyway but i’m not being stubborn saying it is ok because is not.
This is a discussion forum, if you think people will come here just to say: “oh this is great and working fine thanks” you don’t even know what a discussion forum is for.

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Don’t bother you got your answer.If he had nothing to hide then why hide it. See how he turns the argument into “I like it and you don’t so you hate me” when it absolutely has nothing to do with that and it has been pointed out to him multiple times. Just ignore stop feeding the troll

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If you feel targeted by that…

Still doesn’t change anything, can still do the same thing while under geared … you have the tools to do it.

Everyone knows how a pencil / pen work… not everyone can draw detailed art with it. A lot of people stay in the same pattern they are so used to, they dont adapt or wish to change.

Maybe re read it? Because you dont seem to understand it?

Well anyone can clearly make up facts… you’ve just did by stating that. Maybe you missed the part where the main thing players does on these forum is to come to state things they do not like… So of course, using example, if the same 10 ppl that come on this class forum to say #idislikethis… then of course you can say everyone X person on this forum dont want it.

But your theory is already proven wrong since there is a few that did mention they loved it on these forums.

It “doesn’t work” because you “don’t like” the ramp up. Thats not how things goes. It does work, it does the job. You can do all content well enough.

It “doesn’t work” because the “community” dont see it at top of the list… because it might require more to do than a “different” class. That are your reasons.

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It “doesn’t work” because you “Don’t get to ramp up” unless you’re in a raid or a long encounter. No ramp up then you didn’t execute your spec mechanic = bad design. It seems you have a hard time comprehending so this is the simplest explanation I could provide.

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Just because the programmer successfully made the interaction between the player pressing an icon on the screen and it resulting in the appropriate designed / programmed action taking place is NOT what people mean when they say “it doesn’t work”.

“It doesn’t work” means it runs counter to its desired role / implementation.
This CANNOT be argued against as blizzard themselves have already recognized the issue and stated so in their post.
That is FACT.

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You can claim its ok as much as you want. You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m also entitled to opine that my salad would probably taste better if I dropped it uncovered in a garbage dumpster for a week before eating it, but most people would think (based on their own experiences with spoiled food) that I probably haven’t actually done that. I’ve done the priest quests when the content was relevant in both Legion and BFA, and had the experience of world quests taking 2-2.5x longer on my priest (primarily because of the inability to mass pull like on other characters). I’ve played with the talents trying to get damage as frontloaded as possible. We have people chiming in that they had the same QoL issues. We get forum posts every once in a while saying “is priest really this bad” when they level it up, sure, some of them are using the “wrong” build (for the time being we won’t get into why having a “wrong” build is an issue itself). We even have streamers which are quite knowledgeable in WoW and have played a lot of different characters mentioning the problems in the SL beta, and they acknowledge it was the same way in Legion/BFA. Then you come along and say

which might be true right now in live (but then again, right now the same is true of every spec including healers who wear their dps corruption gear) but the thread is technically about SL beta… but then I see you say

and now I’m thinking (based on my experience with shadow priest) you probably haven’t actually done that.

Repeat after me: “I do NOT have a monopoly on the secret shadow priest talent build that the government doesn’t want you to know about™. It is possible that other people have also done research.”

No, I’m pretty sure I understand exactly what you are saying/doing (even with this line), and called you out on it.

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If blizz remove void form, what would happen with void bolt?

Void bolt makes shadow priest more appealing because shadow priest does not have any spell animation beside void eruption

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if the animation is what you’re worried about they can easily give it to another spell.

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I mentioned it here (see below) one idea of what you can do with Void bolt.
Just make it a talent. Alongside Void Eruption.
Then it becomes a rational ability CHOICE that lets you always have access too and it keeps intact the using it while moving aspect.

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I like void form too :slightly_smiling_face:.

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aside from voidform/insanity as a whole, the thing i really dont like about spriest is shadowfiend. it’s spriests only dps cd and it is terribly boring. it’s on a 3min cd and does basically nothing. im not asking for spriest to get a huge extravagant burst CD like infernal or anything but at least make it more interesting (cough cough voidform as a cooldown instead)

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So I’ve got two proposals floating around, one with Shadow Orbs that makes Void Eruption, Void Torrent, and Devouring Plague into ‘Finisher’ moves that you spend Orbs on.

The other proposal I’ve been pitching though is a Voidform redesign that fixes Voidform by removing all the long ramps. In that design, Shadowform provides 15% Haste at all times, instead of providing bonus damage. Voidform replaces Shadowforms haste (as it does currently with the bonus damage), and provides 30% Haste at all times: but no stacking Haste.

Bonus damage is boring because overall damage is balanced equally anyways, it doesn’t give us +10% more damage than another class, or even another Spriest, it’s just bloated design. Put another way, if all classes are balanced to do 100,000 DPS on Mythic Progression, that Voidform provides +20% damage just means Shadow’s base damage must be nerfed accordingly: so the +20% damage provides nothing to the spec, it’s intangible (you don’t feel it) and immeasurable (you don’t benefit from it). If they deleted it, they would buff Shadow accordingly so we’re still doing 100,000 DPS (again, as example).

By contrast, providing +15% and +30% base haste, is a tangible difference that you can feel while playing Shadow. It’s also a measurable increase in Voidform durations, faster spellcasting speed, faster global cooldowns, etc. You still get balanced to 100,000 DPS, but the spec feels better to play.

Compared to today, this is a rampless design. There is no stacking haste while in Voidform, no stacking crit after Voidform, no ghost feedback loop. Technically you still have the ramp to get into Voidform at say, 10 seconds, but the ramp today to full damage can be upwards of 80 seconds. It is a world of difference.

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well how long will voidform last, I believe in your suggestion it has a set duration right?

This is what I would really prefer but your suggested rework to VF sounds interesting.

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