most low io tanks pull mind numbing-ly slow a pack at a time making the keys 10x harder then they need to be
I think that its weird as well. Not really much of a change in high keys tbh. Its not that often that you would pull packs much bigger than 5-8 since you’ll just die. Occasionally like the start of FH or tol dagor you’ll do bigger and lust it but only because the trash is so easy. They seem to have adjusted the pack sizes in SL dungeons accordingly as well. Not my favorite change, especially if I wanted to go smash a smaller key haha but I’m not that worried about it.
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M+ can already be done w/o a timer. You do not get as many rewards or get a higher stone, but it can be done that way.
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Even bads can cc the whole pack and get one down at a time. Might struggle with bosses but they would just wipe a few time and then be fine
Not really. That requires someone else earning a key and sacrificing it for others. Or everyone doing timed keys to rank up just to do an untimed key.
No, it means that if you don’t care about timers and you manage to get under the timer then your key advances.
Yeah, that is again setting aside having restrictions on Lust usage, having a death count, and increasing difficulty for untimed. Those take care of bad players forcing their way through while wiping.
Adding extra affixes for untimed would also serve to arbitrarily increase difficulty.
Ok so if there was a death count then they would just be really careful on bosses cause theres literally no chance they die on trash… honestly its just an awful system that is bad for the game. Come up with a better suggestion and propose it. I will point out the holes and we will discuss it again. The amount of restrictions you would have to impose on this system to make it work is ridiculous. There have been several decent suggestions already, try and build on those
Having played with bad players, this is a statement of ignorance. Bad players die on trash even with CC.
As skill goes up many things become trivial to some that are otherwise untrivial to others.
What affix are you going to add that would make single pulling mobs harder? Like the enchanted emmissary where things cant be cc’d near it? We figured that one out in 15 seconds and made it arbitrary
I have also played with bad players. They eventually learn and focus all their attention on one thing. Since most bosses only have one or 2 mechanics in dungeons, they would be able to eventually do it lol. I think the amount of people in this game who would die to a single mob are very small
Please respond with a better solution as I requested. This one has massive gaping holes and would literally never work
I think you are far too focused on add mechanics and ignoring boss mechanics.
But quite easily you can add an affix that makes all adds CC immune.
If that is too punishing you could make adds CC immune above certain thresholds.
Call allies, adds call for help if less than 2 adds are near them and not CC’d. This spawns extra adds, or aggros other add packs within 200 yds.
It really doesn’t take a lot of creativity to come up with ways to address single pulling. Provided you don’t actively want to disagree.
A flat death count where people would be locked out of rewards? That would be worse. If you mean a flat death count that you have to be under in order to push a key, no. That would make it too easy. The only reason m+ is a challenge is the timer.
Yikes, you’d get endless adds if you couldn’t burn the last one fast enough. That could be fun.
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So you’re going to delete cc from the game for your convoluted game mode? And ruin the fun for everyone so that you can stop guys farming gear they dont deserve?I don’t even have to try hard to pick holes in this man, just think of something better because it very clearly will not work like this
The only reason m+ is a challenge is the timer.
This is correct
I like this option as well, would be a good affix for real M+. Not for untimed though because it would just make it impossible faster. Only challenge in untimed is how high you can get before mobs are literally unkillable without lust, cds and cc
You mean unkillable even with all of lust and cds etc
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It’s not ruining anyone’s fun. You can still have your timed keys.
It’s actually providing fun for others. You don’t need to delete CC it’s an option.
Your pretense of objectivity is falling as you do not even attempt to look at what could be, preferring only to look at what is.