Talking to people is scary though. I don’t play an MMO to talk to other people.
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Like I mentioned, people have had good experiences, fair and proper guilds, but obviously there been more bad then good experiences for Blizzard to make the decision to remove it.
I think for personal loot the restrictions need to go, if the player needs the item great, if not let them trade it to someone who can use it.
Haha! But, you’re talking to people right now! You thought was bot, but was people all along ha ha!
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Exactly no actual raid guild could maintain a roster by abusing its members. Especially when you can simply look at wowprogress and find another 40-50 guilds looking for players at the same level of progression
MMM so fun to have to leave or get kicked because I want to keep my loot. That’s obviously better than what we have now. 
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No it won’t… You people make up these senarios like its what happened every time in every guild when it didn’t and wouldn’t if GL was returned…
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Why do you play with people that would kick you for not trading an upgrade? You should hang out with better people.
Lol what now? If it’s a m+ dungeon, you get loot at the end so you have to leave eventually anyway. If it’s a raid group, just ignore them. If they’re being toxic and if other people are supporting them in said toxicity, leave the guild. Simple.
So what do you do now if someone asks you for an upgrade that you can trade with the current system?
How many times have you been gkicked or removed from a group because of it?
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The whole “the guild will kick you” argument is so ridiculous. My new guild has been having a hard time this whole expansion retaining players, so many trials get carried AoTC and get geared and vanish.
Many guilds struggle hard to recruit and retain, we couldn’t just kick people over a single incident of loot.
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ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
IT’S MY LOOT
Have you ever been in a raiding guild, honestly?
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Yeah, recruitment has been ruthless the last few expansions.
I’ve seen so many guilds die because they’ve just bled out from losing a couple core members and never been able to replace them. We basically lost the entirety of M Tomb because of it.
It’s a recruitee’s market for sure. There’s absolutely no reason to stick in a guild that treats you poorly with how easy it is to get a new one.
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Exactly. Which is why I got tired of it myself and just made my own. Maybe I have just been unlucky with guilds… but I get sick of peoples crap.
What do you do now when the scary raid leaders demand your tradable loot?
Please don’t say ilvl upgrade = upgrade.
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I personally have seen this happen more often than I have seen this phantom evil girlfriend-guild leader duo. I’m starting to think aggressive ML haters daydream most of the time.
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Replacing members is easy keeping is harder. Most get what they want and bail as wow has become a seasonal game and no longer a progressive game. And how do these people get said gear in order to bail well we trade it to them as we have better but no apparently we are the evil loot hungry monsters
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Agreed. Should be removed. You can’t “force” someone to trade something they don’t want to trade.
If people threaten to gkick you for not giving up the loot you need, then you dodged a bullet because they would have been a terrible guild to be in in the first place.
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Really what it comes down to, the smallest bit of social interaction regarding what the loot rules are when joining a new guild should be the requirement.
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If I don’t want it I trade it, It’s not a problem which is kinda the point right?
I haven’t because the system we have is fine the way it is. i also don’t mess with raid guilds anymore so I don’t have to worry.