Remove force personal loot in guild raids

Thankfully, all this garbage you spewed is but a figment of nonsense no one need suffer again.

Another hilariously greedy ML nut job speaking of things they do not know.

You can say I never experienced this without knowing me. That I never raided Mythic or saw trials abused willfully.

Imagine ML tools such as yourself filled with so much selfish bile that they love inventing nonsense…no, you do not have to imagine it! Its right here in the thread.

Luckily for us all, your opinion matters as much as mine. Which is very very little if at all.

Ion did the right thing. Luckily Ion decided to make loot acquisition based off of making people earn items through boss kills. Instead of “special friend list give aways” being the way of the game.

No it was dumb. All you had to do was talk to a guard and they’d point you in the right direction. Hell people know where the weekly PvP building is which is where the chest is located, but they can’t find a vendor?

When you have knowledge of how a system works you understand the change was dumb. The Forced PL change is no different to me.

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Irony.

The ML side is arguing “lets have both, you can do PL, I want to do ML”.

The PL side argues “No, only my way is the right way”.

Then calls someone else egocentric.

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You clearly never experienced high end raiding so yeah I’m sure most of us think you shouldn’t be talking about it and spewing inaccurate information.

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… Then… get a new guild…???

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The people complaining that Master Loot was a bad thing just screams of people who need to find a new guild, lmao.

If the officers are being greedy and favoring other people, unless given a GOOD reason like, you’re new so we don’t know if we can trust you yet, or you don’t show up to raids that often, LEAVE.

There are tons of guilds raiding, find one that you really mesh with.

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Nah. I actually got awarded in raids by being a beast healer. Now Bob who is just a trial gets the titanforged piece by dying every fight.

As I said, the ML crowd thinks only those who fit their exact criteria have a valid opinion.

Meanwhile - Blizzard listened to people who pay subs and play their game. Blizzard has all the accurate info - and ruled your selfish garbage ML as awful and in need of removal.

And the World of Warcraft rejoiced.

Yes I think you only have a valid opinion if you actually experienced it first hand, which like I’ve said before you obviously haven’t.

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Ironically, its the PL crowd being petty.

ML crowd = Let us have an option

PL crowd = ITS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. YOU DONT MATTER.

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Yikes, someone let Irisse out of the dungeons forum. She also advocates inexplicably for the mythic raid lockout to be changed to heroic format and generally people who don’t like the things she does are deemed some degree of selfish. I wouldn’t spend a lot more time engaging with it, it always goes like this.

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Dude, they cant even leave water walking alone theyre such control nuts.
do you honestly think youre EVER getting anything other than PL again?

Okay. Here are our logs during the last tier of that had ML.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/txPkAZTVMDcy364G#fight=19&type=damage-done

The tier for BM was really bad until you hit higher ilvls. So what I did was told our loot council to forget me for tier and make me and the other BM the last ones to get it. So out of that list there, would you like to tell me where I am ilvl wise compared to everyone else?

Yeah. Now tell me which guilds did it by name.

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You are right.

I will never be convinced that you and your cabal, or some other petty folks, should lord over loot for others, when all persons present worked for the kill.

I doubt you’d be able to get in any decent raid so I wouldn’t worry about getting loot lorded over you.

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So should a guild be forced to prove itself decent before being allowed to use ML? Or is decency in the eye of the beholder.

Because to me, a guild that is fair to its members has more decency than any guild who would use the garbage ML system Blizzard removed.

Yeah I want to sit and name and shame and get a forum ban.

Blizzard has all the accurate info and Ion spoke to it. If you want to live in denial, I enjoy laughing at it.

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Yeah like blizzards made some good decisions over the years, they don’t even listen to their community.

Listen this weekend I decided to try and help a guild that pugging on heroic stormwall progression, a different one on herioc jaina progression, and I tried joining what should have been a very easy rasta kill.

What these all have in common is what many of you think of when you say “I contributed” is literally just showing up. Not knowledge of the fight, not even living through the fight, not even knowing your spec properly. But somehow that “contribution” is equal to other people who put time and effort into it and ended up carrying you to a kill.

Most of the time if these raids get kills it comes down to how many people can carry however many other people. If you’re coming to a raid and utilizing the floor strat for most of the kills, nah you really don’t deserve loot.

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Where am I in the ilvl lineup Curse? Don’t dodge the question!

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Does it hurt?