No, I am just curious how you are the definitive expert on how how end raiding guilds use ML.
Is it all the experience you don’t have?
Did you read some crying story from a decade ago?
Or…like when you talked to me…did you just make everything up and base your conclusions on those made up statements?
Your posts provide all the points that show you have no idea what you’re talking about
I was responding to someone who said PL had “no place in mythic raiding” or something like that. I found that amusing since, as of removal of ML, it’s actually ML that has no place in mythic raiding any more. They might want it to have a place - you might want it to have a place - but presently, it doesn’t.
That’s the whole point of this thread, to discuss whether it’s a terrible system or not which it is. You’re basically telling people not to have an opinion just because the game is like that in it’s current state and that were not allowed to talk about it from my point of view.
How would I know? Because Blizzard said that mythic raid loot works the same as any other loot now. And if you don’t trust Blizzard on that, I can assure you personally that it’s true for the first mythic boss or two, so you don’t have to down one to check.
If someone wants to come in and say that there’s secretly a way to use ML on the Jaina mount, and has evidence to back that up, I’m happy to be proven wrong. I don’t think that’s going to happen, though.
You weren’t the one I was responding to. Of course you can have an opinion. Get the facts wrong, though, and I might call you on it.
That’s just it I don’t think you know the facts in the first place, and pugging a few bosses in mythic doesn’t make you an expert, I wouldn’t even say you need to do a lot on the first 3 in m bod either. The most work anyone does is the tanks and swapping on grong, the only difference is it does more damage. As far as personal loot is concerned I’m sure guilds still use RC loot council at least mine does to sort out the gear that isn’t soulbound to those that it would be an upgrade for so basically we are using a dumbed down masterlooter, the only difference is if you receive an item that’s a higher ilvl than what you currently have even if it isn’t an upgrade you’re stuck with it.
The only drawback to masterlooter is you can’t funnel loot as well compared to personal loot but the majority of guilds aren’t going to bother stacking all clothies just to do this, those are the 1% where it doesn’t matter for the majority. But I would still agree masterlooter is still a better system, or at least make personal loot drops tradeable, but here in lies the problem with that, they basically said that they don’t want people to be forced to trade their loot away. Well firstly don’t join a group if it had masterlooter unless you knew them well, secondly if that wasn’t possible then make your own group. It’s as simple as that in previous expansions.
The problem and reason why they implemented personal loot was because people are stupid and didn’t bother asking the raid lead whether they were going to reserve items, also those that would apply for a guild and be on a trial run with them wouldn’t get favored over guildies that have been there for awhile, although if you’re trialing as an app then you are fighting for your raid slot not gear so I would think that would be expected, but one last thing when ever I’ve trialed for a guild that was going to clear the highest difficulty I would always get a say if I needed something so I my self never experienced that but the thing is I didn’t care either even if I didn’t have a chance at loot, you should’ve brought coins instead.
This is the Mantra of the Master Loot freaks and their enablers and sycophants.
“Your opinion does not count, you dont raid!”
“Your opinion doesnt count, you have no Mythic kills!”
“Your opinion doesnt count, your Mythic Kills are only the easy ones!”
“Your opinion doesnt count because you dont have Cutting Edge!”
“Your opinion doesnt count because I got Cutting Edge before you!”
They just keep moving the goal posts for people who they see as worthy of an opinion.
I would say yes your opinion doesn’t count, if you haven’t bothered to learn your class, learn boss/raid mechanics, find a raiding guild you have no right speaking as if you know how it works.
Lets say I was a brain surgeon that went to school for 10 years, just because you watched a youtube video/read some guides doesn’t mean you can perform brain surgery. This is basically what you’re saying, you aren’t speaking from experience.
What’s really amusing is when they are showing fewer or no kills, and what they say about the fights is wrong. But that’s not what this thread is about.
It’s like you’re an 1800 player telling a 2400 player how to get glad, it makes me laugh tbh.
That comparison is insane and proves how egocentric the Master Loot fiends are.
It takes near a decade of schooling and real world medical residency to be a qualified Brain Surgeon.
Those qualifications are not needed for Mythic Raiding.
The fact that you draw that comparison shows how removed from reality the ML crowd is.
You aren’t getting my point and clearly you never will, so stay in your lfr bracket and don’t talk about mythic raiding like you know what you’re talking about.
It is mind boggling how skilled the anti ml group are at missing points and dodging facts. You all have evasion on 24/7. It’s actually impressive.
People who are asking for master loot as an option are asking for something that will never effect you. Why do you care? You wouldn’t be in a guild that uses ml anyway if you dislike it so much. Why stop us from using it?
You are doing the equivalent of a kid taking a toy from another kid not to play with it but to stop them from playing with it.
It is totally illogical.
The ML crowd believes they can lord over everything. Items that drop from bosses… Even forum discussion. Hilarious!
ML was awful. Ion specifically addressed Trial abuse for Hardcore Guilds.
You are completely delusional for comparing brain surgeons to mythic raiders. If anyone at Blizzard read that, I hope they shut the door on ML just because of the sheer frenzy of the egocentric nonsense you spew.
Firstly if you were dumb enough to expect loot from trialing for a raid slot you’re delusional, secondly don’t join a group with masterlooter enabled. Mind blown “logic-common sense”. Thirdly if you have a masterlooter using it properly you can give upgrades to those that need them instead of having a 425 pos item soulbound to someone that won’t use it ever.
Not the point I was making. You don’t seem to have much knowledge of how loot has worked in the past outside of your own false mentality that you portray as truth
That you never took part in so how do you know this is true? Ion also said PvP vendors was hard to find and was part of the reason it was removed and lied about World Defense coming back. I don’t take his word worth spit.
Very often the guild actually needs the trial to down the boss. When the trial was needed to down the boss, why wouldn’t they expect loot?
I thought that was silly when he said it, but when a lot of people still didn’t know about the Conquest system or quest giver months into the expansion, I had to admit he might have been right about the vendors, too.
I agree. If the raid is 100% guild raid, master loot should be available !
But NOT if there is at least one PuG