Fine…, let’s lift this nerf and send Fury to the top again. 
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These warrior copium posts are getting insane now, in this thread i’ve had a guy say that commanding shout was at its most powerful in naxx, which is hilarious and another person claiming that paladins get to be the top dps tank and healer which is absurd, i realise the class might not be exactly where u guys want it but your braincells all went on holiday together if u think that commanding shout isn’t insane in ulduar or that ret paladins are beating fury…
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IT actually doesnt 2 raids are more flexible and have more alts. 1 raid it would be guaranteed every time you lack that 1 person.
A fully bis assa rogue gets 18 DPS in total over that fight, a best case scenario like a combat rogue gets 30 dps,so unless you have roughly 10 phys dps then yes you do lose more and this is considering perfect play, you arent gonna perfectly play that so that 170dps is more like 250+
You can go a head and try it out. but even if we assume it is average 20 dps per class. it would be nearly 8 phys classes to outweigh it, factor in the fact of how realistic it is for those classes to gain that much and that warrior to lose that little and it becomes apparent why it is onyl worth during before pull if you are somehow able.
It’s more realistic that the classes gain the amounts listed than the warrior perfectly executing the move. The other phys DPS just have to be attacking the boss at that time to get the full benefit.
I’m have no idea how well the Sims optimize the use of shattering throw to minimize DPS losses for the warrior though.
do you? youre a lvl 56 kul tiran warrior who is too afraid to post on a main
Shattering throw is a rather large offensive cooldown, the problem with it isn’t it helping the raid, the problem is how obnoxious it is to use. If you can line it up with pull + lust it’s at its best, but if you have to do it mid-fight the timing is trickier + it’s a large drain on the warrior’s dps, upwards toward 200dps lost for the warrior for a “standard” length fight (nearly zero fights are standard I admit but we need a baseline). Overall worth it if you have enough phys in the raid, but def not ideal.
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Weirdly I like bringing fury warriors to my 10 mans. Definitely a solid option for rounding out buffs.
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Commanding shout was at its strongest in Naxx. That is a fact.
You haven’t refuted it, you merely mocked it. I’ll mock your argument structure now and ask you to actually refute the point that a static health buff loses value as health pools increase across the expansion. Which is lazy and you should butt out of your alt warrior disparaging.
Fact: You can’t.
Its not exactly rocket science, there’s no fight in naxx that pushes your health pools to a situation where you would need 2800 more, making the entire thing pointless, guess what happens in ulduar? there is such incredible raid wide damage that some classes have a potential to be literally 1 shotted if they aren’t shouted
Is that what I suggested?
Reply to this statement please: “Commanding shout loses value as the expansion goes, given it is a static health buff while healthpools increase. Therefore it was strongest in Naxx”
Then realise you misappropriated my argument entirely to try to make yourself look better.
so you are talking purely on a numerical value and not if its useful or not? that’s…very silly, and very high on copium, you should feel bad, the numerical value in naxx may aswell be 0
I don’t feel bad because I can actually stay on topic and not use strawmen to argue.
“in this thread i’ve had a guy say that commanding shout was at its most powerful in naxx, which is hilarious”
It was its most powerful in Naxx. Do you feel stupid yet?
i mean, it definitely was not at its most powerful in naxx, as in - its use in naxx is 0%, again you are arguing semantics because you have this insane need to cope about how bad warrior is on these forums every single day, everyone knows exactly what i meant except you, who is a perennially insulted blue parsing warrior who blames his own shortcomings on his class and has a problem with anyone saying otherwise, even if its another warrior
I mean, it definitely was. Your subjective opinion doesn’t factor into the % buff that commanding shout did at the start of Naxx versus 12 weeks into Ulduar.
Get a grip.
Feel free to check my logs going back months too. You can see my progress of being forced into fury from prot given both specs are trash but fury just lightly outpaces the trash-ness of prot. I never played fury before level 80. And never before Ulduar.
all i know is, my algalons wouldn’t die without commanding shout, the algalon fight is exactly where the commanding shout makes its biggest difference, if you want to cope and say it added 3% more max health on heigan the unclean so it was stronger then, be my guest
All I know is, you misrepresented my viewpoint to fit your agenda. Face it- Commanding shout has already peaked 16 weeks ago and is only getting weaker. It is also the only form of utility anyone could tell me in 200+ posts on another thread to demonstrate the utility of warriors.
If you’re gonna make such weak arguments, I think you’ll find you’re in my house.
Let’s delete shadowmourne out of the game, that’s what we really need to balance things out.
Drate feel free to address my reply in the other thread about Druid buffs. I notice you’ve ignored it twice.
your house is on shaky foundation - you can’t play your char and you can’t kill any hardmodes, you are being told you are wrong by someone with 500x your experience and you still think you are right, there’s no saving you i’m afraid
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I’ve killed plenty of hardmodes. And even if I hadn’t that’d be irrelevant.
You’ve lost faith in yourself to argue the point so you come after me. It’s pathetic really.