Relax RDF will be here

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Not if people really don’t like it. I have to say, a lot of the anti RDF arguments come really close to the belief that the common person doesn’t have the ability to choose what’s best for them. I simply don’t believe that. Especially since we have the benefit if hindsight.

I think pretty much everybody agrees that social interaction is important. What we’re saying is that we don’t necessarily need to have that to complete content in the game. We get that from our friends, families, even co-workers. Saying “hey what are we running” “click stone” and “ty” at the end simply isn’t going to matter much to me after I’ve been socializing all day IRL. Dude, most players don’t even use your characters name. Just your class. Which I always thought was rude. Maybe I feel that way because I’d still do stuff like say please and thanks even with RDF. Or maybe I’m underestimating how many anti social people play this game. I don’t understand the “with RDF the other players might as well be NPCs” argument simply because they’re NOT NPCs. I know they’re other people. So why would I be a Richard to them simply because I can?

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I mean you say that but it hasn’t happened yet now has it So until it does happen I think we should keep you know talking about it.

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It’s not that they can or can’t choose what’s best for them (what’s the ‘best’ in any case? History has shown that the majority isn’t always right, but I digress); more people will lean towards using RDF for its convenience, and if RDF is cross-realm, the local amount of players on every server would be reduced to the point that people will be compelled to use RDF. Social behavior, path of least resistance, tendencies, etc. That’s why, others have said it wouldn’t be optional, there can’t be any middle ground here: it wouldn’t be ‘fair,’ not that the current state is fair either… hard to objectively determine it.

Well, if that’s the case, neither is RDF.

Personally speaking, it matters to me; I feel better if anyone says ty for inv instead of just leaving like that. This might be a case-to-case issue. According to my friend, the one that studied sociology, those interactions are important for the potential they represent: take those away and you reduce the potential to have a deeper social interaction down the line. They won’t happen every single time, that’s delusional as well, but you would reduce that probability.

Oh, and I think Brian was being unrealistic when he said that people would be making long-term lasting friendships.

IKR, I ask guildmates on Discord to use my real name if possible, or my nickname is fine as well.

I teach for a living, I’ve worked with children and teenagers since I was 15 (ironic, don’t you think?). I’ve perceived how people are becoming less and less social, to the point that they panic if you call them rather than messaging them. This will be entirely empirical and subjective, but I suspect that RDF helped promote anti-social behavior in WoW. The dynamics changed after RDF was introduced, or maybe they didn’t, but they became more evident.

According to some people, interactions are necessary because they help you develop the skills and tools to deal and cope with frustration, social frictions and you have to step outside of your comfort zone, which is when personal growth takes place. And I could continue, but let’s move on.

Let’s see if my analogy works: what’s better, to have a 20 minutes bus ride in silence, or having the same ride but talking to the person sitting next to you?

Depending on your mood or how the other person reacted, that ride will yield a different experience, even if you don’t see that person ever again in your life.

Again, you could have that with RDF, but at a much lower probability rate.

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Never surrender

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I believe this thread is the definition of a circle jerk.

And I would also like to add that idc if they add it or not. I’m perfectly satisfied with the current solution.

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I just want to have some vague sense of hope in the 10-60 grind to break the tedium from solo questing and never seeing another living soul while I’m out and about…may as well be a single-player RPG for how rarely I see any activity that isn’t for raids or heroics.

Granted, I could level either of my 70s to 80 but Northrend was one of my least favourite questing experiences back in the day. I don’t know EXACTLY why but I do know that I dreaded doing it each time.

Something about low level dungeons just…it makes me happy. Sadly, this iteration of the game is nothing close to what it was like because of the expectations of people who are going by the logic of “the game is already figured out, do X/Y/Z, we’re bored, bring in Phase 2 already!” and barely anyone bothering to level alts unless it’s powerlevelling them with little to no dungeons involved.

There are others like me, obviously, but between being separated by servers and said servers having massive faction population disparity, it really feels a lot worse.

I don’t want to ask for free server transfers since that’s just adding fuel to the fire so RDF for OLD content is the next best thing I can hope for.

Heck, I know it’s Halloween but the fact I’ve been logged in for 15 hours straight now and I only managed to get one of my alts into all of 2 dungeon runs is absolutely pathetic. Gnomeregan when I was just veering on the edge of being too high and, praise almighty, a Razorfen Kraul run (a frigging MIRACLE, considering all my characters on Wrath Classic are Alliance).

Actively advertising LFG, working on professions to help pass the time, doing some battlegrounds, a little bit of errand boy questing flying from half the map over and back again, etc.

Eventually, I had to just tab in every few minutes to look at the current LFG tool to refresh and hope people were listed, ask in the LFG channel, and just have YouTube going on another tab.

This is not a special night of this happening. This is an EVERY DAY THING for me. Okay, not 15 hours every day but at least 4, up to 8 hours, on most days of the week.

I play alts. A LOT of alts. Dungeons are what kept me hooked onto this game for so many years. I don’t mind taking a while to actually move through them but if just getting people together in a group to do it in the first place is this empty, I’m not going to be shamed into feeling that a limited version of RDF would be anything OTHER than a positive change.

Let the endgame folks form their own groups if you feel that makes things more personable. Great, whatever, as long as some kind of compromise can be made.

Levelling super fast isn’t my intention. I could have my 70s to 80 and gotten heirlooms and just no-life’d all my alts to 80 if that was my goal.

I just want to have fun the way I used to.

Retail is not what I’m looking for. People STEAMROLL low level dungeons there. I imagine plenty of people could solo dungeons if they really wanted to. I want the challenge and fun of working through such great instances like Blackfathom Deeps, Razorfen Downs, Maraudon, Dire Maul, LBRS/UBRS and the like. Too bad in the current state of things, I would have to roll on a Season of Mastery Classic server at this rate and that feels like an extremely hollow thing to me because it puts an unnecessary time crunch on it.

GOGOGOGOGOGOGODOITBEFORETHEYRESETFORNEXTSEASONHURRYHURRYYOU’REWASTINGTIMETHECLOCKISTICKING!

(Also, I actually LIKE the full questing experience of TBC, the dungeons are…meh, they’re okay. I’d be missing out of those and what little of Northrend-specific stuff I actually DO like if I did give up to go to SoM.)

Sure, they’ll eventually close the Wrath Classic servers down if they decide not to move to Cataclysm and onwards but it’s not a deliberate ‘you have X amount of time’ guillotine hovering over us because we don’t know what they’re going to do.

I guess casual dungeon-crawling is no longer something Blizzard wants to associate with their game anymore if it’s not a part of their current endgame.

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but who cares what the sweatlords do, you and your guild will have a full 14 weeks to progress on ulduar

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i think maybe you should try to find a classic server. Wotlk doesnt seem like it bodes well with you

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My sub is running out in 3 days and I won’t be back unless they add RDF same for my 6 other friends and their friends.

Not that anybody will miss us but details.

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These are non arguments. History also has shown the the majority isn’t always wrong. And choosing for convenience is often the best choice.

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this is what will happen with the tool though it wont change players behaviour. i understand why you want the tool they are valid reasons but the reality is you are not gonna get that experience in groups you will get the same as retail people speeding to the end. this happens now in most dungeons but not so much because they know its gonna take a lot of effort to find another person.

one thing you need to take into account is WOTLK just dropped most people are leveling main characters getting gear rep boa’s achievements what ever give it time once more people have done what they want to on that character you will see more leveling. but right now its gonna be slow this has always happened when a new expansion drops with or with out RDF.

have you tried maybe searching the forums for a guild that would have more likeminded players or joined some yourself this can be a great way to meet people who are in the same boat as you more specifically look for levelling guilds

when you do groups and you find some good players who do like to go slow like you ask them if you can add them. maybe later on you both get stuck on a level.

if you are not sure what server to join you can check out websites like ironforge.pro this will give you a generally idea on what servers are currently popular. since you do not mind the questing experience maybe even reroll a character on a mega server on the faction you want might make your life a little easier if your do not have friends you can level with.

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This is true.

So, you’re saying that people will use it even if they think it’s bad? That even if they believe it ruined the game, they’ll still use it? Do you think that maybe people are aware of the downsides, but they simply feel like those are outweighed by the upsides?

I agree on this. The whole “if you don’t like it don’t use it” argument is based on the anti RDF assertion that they represent the large majority of players. Something that I don’t think is true.

Technically true. Here’s the thing though. That little bit of socialization doesn’t provide tangible benefits for the player. RDF does. The importance of that socialization is based on the perception of the people engaging in it.

I like it. I think it’s polite. But I have people who just drop group now with out saying anything. It’s not the majority, but it’s at least one or two out of the five.

This makes sense to me. And if this was the early days of the internet I’d be there with you. However, you’re still ignoring the change in online gaming culture that has happened over the last decade and a half. While I agree the chance to have that deeper social interaction would be reduced with RDF, it’s already so small that reducing it further isn’t that large of an impact IMO. It’s like if the Powerball goes from being a 1 in 650000000 chance to a one in 690000000 chance. The odds were already so small that making them a bit worse really doesn’t matter.

I get this feeling as well. I’m probably a bit older than most Classic players (I’m assuming the average Classic player is in the 30-38 range). Back when I was growing up, we didn’t have the internet. Pretty much everything had to be done face to face. Which sucked for me cause I was pretty shy. But I had to learn to work around that and still get stuff done.
I feel like a lot of people now don’t have to specifically because so much is done on the internet or through text now.

You could be right. Nobody really knows. What I’m saying though is, the last three years of Classic and TBC haven’t undone that damage if that’s the case.

I agree with this, but I simply don’t think it applies to forming a dungeon group. Maybe leading a raid group, but not forming a dungeon.

As someone from Chicago who has take probably tens of thousands of bus rides, I can honestly say I don’t particularly care either way. I have never met someone on a bus who I actually became friends with.

Edit: If you can provide link to studies that show people will make a choice for themselves that’s negative, even with the benefit of hindsight, I’ll read them.

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You have enough people to form a group constantly, yet still need RDF to hold your hand?

Something tell me you quitting is a good thing for the population.

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Why was this reported lmao. Hopefully a dev can fix this cause this mans literally just saying facts.

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yes look at any addiction smoking bad for you people do it. gambling people know its bad they still do it. drinking heavy amounts people know its bad they still do it.

this is exactly why it no longer happens though this exact mind set when in reality small things can always lead to massive things. more so now more then ever this is what classic is supposed to be in my eyes, when you go to school most people meet some people they know for life if they was not forced to go to school they would not have meet those people just as a example.

question when you overcome those obstacles did you meet people along the way you would have never normally meet?

that’s personal opinion for me it has i have not played wow at all really since mop until now if they had never released it i would not be here right now.

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Don’t forget to add boosts for a solid in game example.

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But how many smooth runs that people don’t talk about happen? These instances aren’t unique to rdf the happen with horriblr lfg tool as well. And if you /ignore if you get a person like that you won’t get them again.

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this is key here. if this person keeps doing this they will eventually not find groups. with RDF this will never be the outcome always a new person a que away. this also breeds the mindset of if he is doing it why cant i? this breeds more people doing the exact same.

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They should just add 3 new servers, 1 - true purest 100% everything from WotLK - no powerups/transfers (tokens whatever they are called) = this is for the people that want it the way they remembered it. This would stay at WotLK forever and take 1 year between phases (whatever they are called)

another server - fun server - start at level 68 (all your skills are learned to that level) - buy anything from blizzard store and old world flying (even if you had to pay for that per character from the blizzard store)

and the 3rd could be a professional family life version that is basically like it is now but having RDF enabled.

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sounds good in theory but would not be good for the game you just split the community 3 way. lets face it games not what it used to be so if you think it is bad now it would only be worse the only thing separating community right now is servers.