Y’all gonna quit or complain for 18 months?
How bout we complain for 18 months, then quit?
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Is that the Garmuck Plan?
That’s the everybody plan. Alot of us are done with WoW at the end of Wrath.
Typical childish responces expected from both of you. Way to “nurture social interactions” as usual.
Yes Blizzard, bask in the beautiful “nurturing” you have created. The isolationism, bigotry, and elitism created by this decision has created such a nurturing atmosphere indeed.
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Do you have a link?
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Except this was easy. They should have decided to release classic xpacs EXACLTY the way they were. No mega servers, no anti-dispelling world buffs protection, no boosts, roll out patches with corresponding features - all of it. It was easy. They didn’t do that.
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I really hope someone from microsoft does the numbers, figures out all the new devs did completely uneeded things, and cleans house from the top down like what’s happening to twitter.
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I have to agree with this on the Microsoft/Blizzard side. Someone needs to go in there and give the WoW Classic team an enema.
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Yep, fire all 2 of them. Hire like 20 people with the same money they are probably shelling out now.
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Ah, just bask in it folks! Bask in that wonderful “nurturing social interactions”. Isn’t it wonderful, don’t you just want to group up with Beefy right now!
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Best part about your passive aggressive post is that if I choose to play the game tonight, I have access to any portion of the game I want.
It’s a beautiful thing.
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Elitism and thinking you are better than others. Please stop, I cannot handle all this nurturing of social interactions.
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Sad but true.
After I punch Deathwing in the face and get toasted in pre-patch for giggles I’m back to Era until something else comes along.
go go visionary realms
Post something that isn’t 6 months old.
I agree with you on many points, and I learned something new as well.
This would require a separate discussion, because adding RDF would be exclusionary to some extent. My claim is that RDF removes the incentive to engage in social interactions, but again, that’s another discussion.
They do without realizing it, I wouldn’t even say they are doing it intentionally. You can tell by the way they exaggerate things (it is impossible to level up without RDF), by generalizations (RDF is needed), or by using passive-aggresive behavior (do this or else…).
I agree once again, some people want to play Wrath, but… which half? We can’t have original Wrath as it was for so many reasons.
This would require more work for them, and by taking a look at their losses in the last 10 years, I wouldn’t push more work on them. Executive decisions can make developers miserable. There’s a lot they aren’t saying.
People come up with statements as if they were boiling eggs, things aren’t that easy nor simple. Leaving things as they were would create new problems, server balance has always been an issue and there’s not an easy fix to that, because I don’t think people would tend to maintain the balance if they allowed free transfers.
There’s so much more to take into consideration. Like I’ve said, regardless of their integrity as a company, I’d like to believe that some are giving their best with the resources they have. I’m not a Blizzard defender, but I take into consideration the humans that are giving their best to bring us this experience to us once again.
""To be completely honest, [the Looking For Group tool] is a feature I wanted in the game when we launched the game. I was really unhappy when we didn’t have it when we first shipped, so it’s been 5 years coming. Maybe it wasn’t the number one thing I wanted in, but it’s definitely one of the top 5 things that I wanted in the game. It’s actually our third try at a proper LFG tool, and this one gets it right. With the Meeting Stones, we didn’t put enough attention into it, we just tried to jam it in, and people didn’t use it. The second tool, it ended up being compromised feature – we tried to cater to too many different audiences.
As for the community question, I used to … I think that 5 years ago, I would have answered this question differently than I would today. I was all about preserving the small realm communities, but already… Well, look at Battlegrounds, it’s a good case in point, because it doesn’t diminish social relationships that matter on a realm. Sure, everyone can bring up “that one guy” that they know, the ninja looter who stole his stuff. But I think your real community isn’t the whole realm, but it’s your guild and the friends you group with, and the cross-server LFG won’t undermine that at all. The Dungeon Finder – by the way, I think we just renamed it the Dungeon Finder last night – We designed it in such a way that it serves the need for guilds and groups and friends. You don’t have to always [join a Pick-Up Group]. If there are four guildies in a group who just need a fifth, they can do that. You can also use it if even you have a full five-person party.
Or, you can do it if you’re on your own and just want to run something, so I don’t think it diminishes it at all"
-Rob Pardo
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How would a system that includes everybody equally be exclusionary?
Sure, some people are taking things too far. But conversely, I think there’s some justified anger that Blizzard decided to change their game, but let Vanilla be more or less no changes.
But again, the gave us something fairly close to what Vanilla was. Of course, it couldn’t be exactly the same because the players were different.
I don’t know about this. Seems like it would take more work to remove RDF from the Wrath source code, then create another new tool to replace it, than it would be to simply open a new Vanilla server.
While I really believe the exclusion of RDF is Blizzard simply not being able to “read the room”, I’ll also admit that it could be something else. It could be that they know Wrath is the last hurrah for the “Classic Andy’s”, and want to give you guys one last expansion that’s done “your way”. After Wrath, we’ll probably get Cata Classic with RDF, and LFR at some point, and you guys will probably get fresh Classic servers.
To begin with, the way people are suggesting this be implemented would leave anti-RDF with a little pool of people to form groups with. Secondly, it excludes the intrinsic values that there are in forming a group without RDF; this may affect the development of unexpected situations during the run: if any is present, you would have to assess the situation and make a decision, rather than removing yourself or others without having a proper discussion. And thirdly, it would leave out the incentive behind engaging socially with others.
Some people claim “you can still do those things with RDF”, yes, but the incentive that alters the social dynamics when unexpected things happen isn’t present anymore.
Oh, I’ve never said that they aren’t right to be angry, I’m not devaluating their emotions, and if I may have given that impression, allow me to apologize. But when people act out of anger, well… let’s say that the consecuenques can get nasty.
A lot has been said about the change and impact on the social dynamics. I’ve spoken with people that have studied sociology and psychology about this topic. They all have agreed that people are underestimating the value of social interactions, no matter how little they are, and thay by removing the incentive behind that stimulus-response condition, they are entirely altering the possible outcomes and diminishing the potential of having meaningful social interactions. There are the basis of the social experience.
But so far, everyone that has tried to argue that have simply dismissed this take by saying I don’t buy this BS.
I’ve said a lot and I’ll say it one more time, the addition or removal of RDF isn’t simple. We lack data to support an objective claim. People on both sides have acted as if they knew the absolutes in the equation.