yall hitting the copium way too hard thinking this “rework” will happen anytime soon, if it all
remember when they nuked exsang and said they would rework it soon? 8+months ago? then it turned out it’s bugged anyway… or how about stealth randomly breaking to just about anything? What about the absolute dumpster fire that outlaw is this xpac? they haven’t even pretended to care.
I’m p sure all they care about* this xpac is sending traffic to bad-dragon so people buy more lil vibe chicos because they have some partnership behind the scenes. That or they’re just morons
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I’m still down to just delete outlaw and make our third spec a tank spec.
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Roll the Bones needs to be a thing of the past. Immediately.
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People want a leather wearing tank they can roll brewmaster or vengeance. No tanks or goofy support nonsense ever on us rogues.
We are here to smoke people , burn their house down, loot their coffers and get outta there fast.
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Well I guess as a pvper you can’t see the appeal. But I wanna tank. The game needs more tank options and we could easily fill it. I love my rogue, but I hate it. I’m absolutely main locked but if we aren’t allowed to have top dps even though that’s all we can do. The least we could do is fill a role other than dps.
We could also be a 3rd tank spec to use a shield.
No.
We don’t need more tank classes. We need people who actually want to tank. And we don’t need a rogue tank spec. I don’t know why anyone thinks we need this.
You’ve got monks and DH’s that are kinda rogue tank specs. Go role one and leave rogue alone. :x
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I’ve voiced this up and down over the last few days (I think? It’s a blur…) but a better outcome might be having some kind of aug-like support spec in addition to or in place of one of our specs. The hottest take (but not really a new idea, at least for the first part here) would be consolidating Sin and Sub into its own dagger category spec and then filling the vacuum of the third slot with a “saboteur”-like spec, something that focuses on destabilizing enemies while providing primary like augmentation might.
Of course, this idea assumes that they stick the landing with augmentation, which is obviously still a work in progress.
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I like tanking. I dont do it anymore. Did a 20 sumthin Azure Vault last season a few days after they nerfed the stone boys. Sent the group my skip route. DPS bailed 3 pulls in saying “no one does this route”. 2 weeks later and everyone is using that route for AV.
Playerbase shoots themselves when it comes to tanks.
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I hope they get a bard spec.
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I want to tank.
Because people want different things? You don’t want it. Good for you. Maybe if you were level 70 you’d understand different perspectives.
I have no desire to “role” a monk or DH. I want to play my Rogue and it would be pretty cool to tank on it.
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Too bad. Rogue tank doesn’t even make sense. Even making a rogue spec a saboteur inverse augmentation spec makes more sense and barely anyone actually wants that either.
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It doesn’t make sense because… you said so? It absolutely makes sense. Again, just because you don’t want it, doesn’t mean nobody does.
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Because it’s just such a cringe concept, and doesn’t fit the class archetype in any way whatsoever…
I don’t care if you like tanking. I don’t care if you like rogue. Pick one.
I like rogue and I like healing. Maybe we should get a healing spec too…
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I’ve been considering putting this up on billboards all over the US.
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I understand man , rogues do a good bit of everything. I like keystones and such too but definitely not sold about us tanking at all. There are a lot of other classes who tank and nothing about us makes sense to soak damage and hold the line.
Brewmaster is the closest to an evasive brawler or heck even vengeance I guess with blur and their whole deal but not us.
Usually you and I agree on a lot of stuff but I aint sold on soaking hits for people. However controlling stuff and being a pain in the butt for enemies in keystones is kinda our “support” we offer.
Definitely would like smokebomb to be in pve again though to save healers and such when freak accidents happen.
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Because… you said so?
I get it. You don’t care. You’ve expressed that several times. Guess what? I don’t care if you don’t like the idea. Maybe you should just move on.
Thanks for not being such a “absolutely not, that’s stupid” person. If you’re completely sold on what WoW’s idea of a Rogue is, I can see why you’d say that. But the literal definition of a Rogue is a dishonest or unprincipled person. That’s it.
I get that a lot of people think Rogues must be stealthy and attack from the shadows. But that went out the window a long time ago. Assassin is the only spec of the three that completely relies on starting in stealth for good damage. You could argue that Sub does too with shadow dance, but it’s not the same. Then there’s Outlaw. If you say tanks don’t make sense, then neither should Outlaw. As you could stay out of stealth the entire time and be just fine.
Rogues could not only rely on dodge and parry, but also have a shield. Of the 6 tank classes we have so far, surprisingly, only 2 of them use shields. I think it would be very easy to turn what Combat Rogue was into a tank spec with a shield. Weapon specializations, but modified around tanking. Riposte which allowed us to strike back harder after parrying. We even had an enrage (though I agree it sucked to keep up lol).
Again, if you’re completely stuck on the idea of what a Rogue is based on WoW’s interpretation, then yeah it wont make sense. But a Rogue is so much more than stealth. DnD has flirted with Rogue tank quite a bit. I think the game would be much more fun if we explored new options. I also think Rogue tank makes 1000x more sense than a Lightforged Draenei lol.
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Dunno man , different games, different goals and different settings.
GW2 thief class has multiple ways to build out their kit and was pretty solid.
Say we did have a enduring / dodgy specialization like you’re possibly suggesting. It would be a 4th specialization. Leave the 3 alone then.
That 4th rogue would have to do crud damage and it would get messy regardless.
They tuned down threat to encourage active threat generation back in MOP if I’m remembering right and it has been changed multiple times up until now.
A rogue that doesn’t stealth, doesn’t use trickery, doesn’t use any sort of intelligence to think and just does brew master type fighting more or less isnt much of a rogue.
I’m not exactly attacking / completely opposed your ideals here but I’m not seeing the full picture or rationalization on WHY other than “ people want it”.
- Why would it be needed?
- What makes it different from other support classes?
- How do you fit that into 38 specs now?
There is a much deeper understanding and thought process that must be discussed.
For now, they are focused on hybrids and decided to make Evokers, if anyone gets a “tank” it is more likely a shaman or a brand new class when / if they see it is necessary.
Edit: Draenei was added for inclusion of people’s preferred race and that was it. I don’t see it as a big deal but yes I somewhat agree.
My thought process is mechanically why WITHOUT obstructing the 3 that we already have.
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Let me preface by saying I was vehemently a combat rogue before it was turned into outlaw. I gave outlaw a solid chance by playing it for a while, and despite playing Assassin from time to time. I didn’t like the pirate theme, and it has always and continues to feel clunky. I’ve been playin Sin since. IMO Outlaw was a complete failure.
But sure, I’m definitely open to adding it as a 4th spec. Why not? Druid has 4.
Damage would obviously not be a big deal if they’re tanking.
Again, I don’t think stealth and rogue are mutually exclusive. I don’t think stealth is what makes a rogue a rogue. There’s easy ways to tie trickery into the spec as well.
- Why would it be needed? Variety is the top here. There always has been a huge issue with tank shortage.
Second is bringing more people to the rogue class. We are by far the least played class in the game and have been for a very long time. We’re in such a pathetic state it’s hard to get into keys as a rogue as most people laugh at us. Let alone, if you’re not “the right spec”.
- It would be the first non plate class to have a shield for defensive purposes and not a stat board. Sure, you might say that’s not good enough a reason alone. But it also goes back to variety. When you think of a tank, regardless of the fact that a majority of the specs that tank do not use a shield. A shield comes to mind.
- I’m not sure that I understand this one. All the specs are fairly unique barring a couple. It would just be another one.
I definitely wouldn’t be opposed to adding a tank shaman either tbh. They already have shields, they had a threat generation, and were pretty tough.
I get LF getting lock was for preferred race sake. But if lore is being thrown out the window just like that, I see no reason why a tank rogue wouldn’t make much more sense. You wouldn’t even have to rewrite anything for it to make sense.
