Refuting the common arguments against Dual Spec

By the way I refuse to believe that reddit post even exists. I can’t even find it so I assume it was down-voted to oblivion!

Right but this can be done today. So maintaining two specs can’t be your main reason. Your issues lies with the actual logistics of it. You want to abolish the need for a trainer to respec.

What if there was dual spec but every time you switched specs, it took 50g?

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I’m confused, is he suddenly for or against it?

I cannot swap on the fly, so no.

Yes, convenience.

Naw, that’s stupid.

I mean, he wrote an entire essay and here he just defeats it all in one ironic sentence… :dizzy_face:

So your issue is not just with going to a trainer. It is also the gold cost. If the gold cost was a non-issue, the fact it exists wouldn’t deter you either way.

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Like why even write the essay if he’s just going to do this? This makes no sense at all.

No, it is just dumb to suggest we pay gold in place for something unlocked.

Right? Imagine if mounts worked that way. I would hate life if I had to pay regularly just to use my mounts.

I mean, you are getting something pretty hefty in return that you believe has value.

The ability to switch specs “on the fly” (which your buddy Ziryus would argue is actually not how it works btw, interesting choice of words, argued for pages that dual spec is not “on the fly”).

That is valuable. What are you willing to pay for it? If nothing, then gold is one of your issues with the lack of dual spec.

There’s no rule that if Blizzard is to provide ways to mitigate respeccing obstacles, that they just have to give you dual spec as designed in 2008 WOTLK. They could come up with something completely different in its place, like they’re doing with the LFG tool or other modifications like feral energy (which never existed in TBC or WOTLK).

I already paid to unlock it. No deal.

I never said it cost anything to unlock. We’re discussing a modified version of dual spec, we hadn’t clarified that yet.

Let’s say this version of dual spec was given free.

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That’s just weird. No deal. Pay to unlock. Your suggestion just makes trainers pointless entirely.

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…As does yours, since your entire reason, according to you, for wanting dual spec is to never have to go to one.

Okay…this isn’t really an argument.

I’m giving you a scenario that is possible, and asking if that would suit your desires. Simple.

When it comes down to it, you don’t want to pay the gold cost because it is a gold cost. It isn’t just for not wanting to go to the trainer.

You want dual spec because you both don’t want to pay the gold and you don’t want to go to a trainer.

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No, mine makes trainers useful up until you hit max level and spend the gold to surpass needing them. Your suggestion renders them pointless from the start.

Silly silly.

I know.

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Except…it doesn’t.

You would still use trainers up until max level, just like with WOTLK dual spec. There’s literally no difference. The resulting effect of trainers’ “usefulness” is identical in both scenarios, whether it’s regular 2008 dual spec added, or this modified dual spec.

Trainers have identical use-cases in both scenarios. However, in both scenarios also, they become useless once you achieve the dual spec feature unless you need to retune 1 of your 2 builds.

You don’t want to pay the gold cost for respeccing, even if you had the ability to switch your spec anywhere you wanted, and it had no fee to purchase in the first place.

That means the gold cost is a limiting factor to you. You aren’t being truthful by saying the only reason you want it is because you want to save a trip to the trainer. You also want to save the gold.

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No arguments. This is just clown-world. :joy:

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So you hit level and it just turns on? That’s silly.

Pay for an unlock and change on the fly, no additional restrictions other than the reagent cost.

Opinion.

That is how WOTLK dual spec worked. There’s no guarantee that if Blizz did cave on mitigating respec hurdles, that they would give you the WOTLK version dual spec.

The purpose of this exercise was to ask you why you need/want dual spec.

You said you don’t care about the gold, but this is a falsehood because even if you had dual spec but it cost 50g to swap, this wouldn’t be acceptable to you.

Gold is clearly an important element in this equation.

So your main problems are that gold is an obstacle for you to respec, and you don’t want to have to go to a trainer.

Personally, and you’re free to disagree, I don’t see these as problems that Blizzard should really be in the boardroom trying to solve for you.

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Then why do you need a second spec? You just said spec doesn’t even matter.

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