Refuting the common arguments against Dual Spec

You always have to give up something to get something. Whatever comes in the way of benefits departs in equal measure at the expense of something else. You could go into what’s being gained and what’s being lost but that’s largely pointless because people value different things. Some people value extra conveniences, some not so much.

I don’t see any validity in the reasoning that Wraths convenience paves the way for TBC convenience. Its not a hard and fast rule but the idea kinda was you wanted to play TBC because you wanted to play TBC and TBC didnt have dual specs.

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I never said that I was being 100% objective in everything I’ve ever said. You’re mistaking me for Fasc.

I’m pretty clear about using phrases like “I feel” or “in my opinion”. I’m sorry that you have had difficulty comprehending that.

This is kind of a pointless road to go down, about who’s being more rude. It accomplishes nothing and attempts to absolve one side of being “rude” while criticizing and condemning the other for doing it.

Both sides have been pretty rude. It’s just a quality of the vessel through which we’re discussing this. Everybody thinks disagreement is an affront on logic or their personality.

I don’t dislike people who want dual spec inherently, plenty of people in my own guild who want it, I just don’t think they should get it.

As for you being a boosted character, I’m not really sure why I would care. I think the boost was bad for the game, it doesn’t mean I dislike people who used it.

This doesn’t mean anything nor does it accomplish making any kind of constructive point.

TBCC lacks dual spec just fine, thank you.

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And yet you say things like this:

Kettle, meet pot.

So you’re basically admitting you’re just being rude now.

Projection.

No, you do. Your entire attitude is absolute hatred for anyone who has expressed their desire for it. You said it was tantamount to Sharia Law and you said I was selfish for even expressing it. You were rude and disrespectful and now you’re being utterly dishonest about it.

#SomeChanges

:blue_heart: for every pro-Dual Spec thread that shows up on these forums. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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So when someone who wants dual specs says that dual specs will single handedly resolve the tank shortage guaranteed they’re just bein 100% real with me, eh? Im not convinced, lets leave it at that.

What is more important than what I want is why I deserve it and that case hasn’t even come close to being made yet, assuming one could even be made in the first place. (hint: nope).

Which is why I advocated for the honesty is the best policy route and just straight up sell out like the sell out you are because at the very least no one can assault your integrity.

You’re a mage.
Go re-spec.

If you’re not sitting on enough gold / week to re-spec then you’re playing the wrong game.

I’ve never said it would solve a tank shortage. At best, it pushes more people into an area where they have the opportunity to tank, heal, or DPS.

As for me, there are 2 main reasons I want it:

  1. More people want it than don’t want it. More people obliged means more people stay subscribed and more people are happy.

  2. Convenience. Being able to switch between two specs is far more convenient that 50g and traveling to a trainer whenever the opportunity arises for a respec.

Simple as that.

:clown_face:

Thats great just so long as you understand you arent entitled to jack just because you want it.

Yeah thats the theory. Didnt work out too well.

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If it is not a solution, then there is no problem, therefore, no need to change anything.

In an age where people asked for WoW Classic and Blizzard gave them what they wanted, right?

:wink:

Seems to be doing fine for me so far. I wanted WoW Classic, and I got it. I wanted TBC Classic and I got it. I wanted Blizzard to deviate from their #NoChanges policy and they said the would.

So far, even though I’m not entitled, I seem to be getting exactly what I want.

:clown_face:

Then why is dual spec a big deal?

Who are you talking to? Me? Thereza, are you okay? I’m here if you need to talk.

Yeah, right after the part where they publicly disgraced themselves for saying that neither they wanted that or did we. Or did you forget “you think you do but you dont” already? If Blizz had their way there would be no WoW Classic - but they didnt want private servers makin bank off their IP either.

Dig a little deeper next time.

It is not a big deal.
that is exactly my point.

It is not needed on TBC.
Stop changing the game for all convenience you guys think it would be cool.

Next is LFD, then LFR.

Cross-realm LFG. It would be great. Karazhan is ez, we can have LFR, teleport to dungeons, etc.

It is all going to this direction. I’m sorry, if there was a huge need for dual spec at TBC I would be supporting it.

It is not the case.

Then if people are struggling to enjoy the game because it doesn’t exist. And it is causing people to actively not play the game why not implement it?

I don’t need to. We got what we wanted regardless of whatever circumstances you think are relevant. So…

People cannot be struggling to enjoy the game because dual spec does not exist.
You’re struggling because either you don’t have gold or you’re not playing the game.

Your solution is simple: farm a bit, you’ll get the gold to re-spec so you can PvP (while I also don’t understand how can you not PvP with any spec at all).

It seems to me that you want to go full META on both specs…
not actually have fun.

It’s not a big deal as long as it’s not in the game. It’s not in the game currently, and thus, is not a big deal to “work around” not having it.

How is this even remotely a “kettle meet pot” scenario, lol. It’s like you just love using the phrase and have to awkwardly makes things meet the criteria for you to use it.

Telling someone that what they are saying is their opinion and is not fact, is not the linguistic equivalent of claiming that everything I’m saying is fact. These are two different conversations entirely.

Most of what I’m saying is my opinion, and most of what Fasc is saying is his own opinion. Difference is I don’t go so far as to deny the burden of proof in an effort to assure that everything I’m saying must be fact.

Likewise.

Lol, so now you’re telling me how I feel?

Also, wowza, way to take the Sharia Law thing out of context, but I guess I’m used to that with your type at this point…

You were asking me how what you want has any bearing or impact on me.

I simply used that as an example to demonstrate how something that has a direct impact on someone…makes asking the question “How does it impact you?” sort of arbitrary, if not absurd.

You can pick whatever scenario you like.

It’s like a referee telling a sports player in a divisive play “How does my decision impact you?”.

Directly.

It’s like a lion telling a gazelle, “I’m just hungry, how does it impact you?”.

Directly.

It’s like a hockey stick telling a hocky puck, “I need to score a goal, how does it impact you?”.

Directly.

The point being made is pretty clear here, and yet you’re focusing on the way the point was made. Either acknowledge the point being made, or continue whining about how it was made in to your own oblivion as you suffer from “woosh” syndrome.

You can keep on hoping, I won’t take that away from you.

If we reach the end of TBCC and it doesn’t get added though, I’m going to make a thread and tag all the memorable names who fought tirelessly to get it added and thought that all the justification was there and that it is a near done-deal, and enjoy the crow eating.

Of course, if they add it (unlikely), you may or may not get anything from me. I might just silently quit, so who knows.

Fasc basically called this exactly what it was:

You assume people are being rude to you simply for disagreeing with you and so you’ve given yourself permission to just be rude to them.

Oh, you want context? Here it is:

For everyone to see how ridiculous your responses are.

#SomeChanges

Mmm…no, I just see that when someone is obviously, literally being rude…I would deem that rudeness. Not sure what you’re talking about.

Yup, I read it and…I’m still getting the exact point that I was attempting to make to you then, and made a valiant effort to re-explain one post above that you…conveniently ignored, yikes.

#nodualspec

That was the first circumstance in a chain of circumstances that got us Classic. Thats how this all started but feel free to cherry pick if you think that helps you in any way.

I mean, I could remind you that Blizzard’s first priority with Classic was Blizzard but sometimes the best victory laps are the ones you didn’t earn but still feel fine taking credit for.