zipzo you’re a good person; these dual spec creatures do not deserve this level of effort. just tell them NO over and over. it’s like training a dog.
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It’s so difficult for me to ignore such bad faith arguments and deflection…maybe I need a stress ball at my desk or something and it will prevent me from feeling compelled 
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Translation: More ad homina.
Unironically stating that said person’s opinion is “just an opinion” even after having formerly stated that expressing opinions are the purpose of any conversation anyway.
He says, unironically, even after attempting to derail from the topic on a number of occasions, including a tangents about the 2020 election, his divorced parents, his life in the military, and Sharia Law, among other things…
Talks about how a change won’t happen in #SomeChanges game where changes have happened.
More blanket statements without citations. Also continues to say “people” and “everyone” when referring to himself.
This is clown-world gobbledygook. Can’t make heads or tails of it. So…
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This again?
Lets boil it down, shall we?
You dont need dual specs to play TBC, you just want them. You want them because they’re convenient.
So instead of trying to sell it like its some necessity just say you want dual specs because theyre convenient and you like convenience. At least you might get respect for your honesty.
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I don’t know of a single person who doesn’t play this game other than because they want to.
Do you?
That you have been so fervently against irrational unproven concepts while you simultaneously want me to just take it as given, as universally accepted, as generally known, as unexplained but nevertheless adopted, a concept such as “burden of proof”
This is the irony. This is why I pointed it out.
It isn’t some trick. If you fervently want to put demands on others, such as burden of proof, you have to actually know what you’re talking about and be able to articulate it. Otherwise you have to accept that you cannot force everyone else to do the work for you and at some point you need to actually address the other speaker as an equal.
I’m fine with a Socratic dialog: Person A presents reasoning for their own beliefs, Person B must refute, followed by (or done simultaneously with) Person B presenting reasoning for their own beliefs, while Person A must refute.
However, you seem to think you get to put forth no reasoning and place all burden of proof on everyone else, while demanding we accept your version of “burden of proof”. It is lazy. It is juvenile.
And when we apply the flaw in your reasoning back upon you, you don’t actually see the error in your ways (that would require a fair share of humility, and you dare not be humble before people you know are less intelligent than you), but rather you accuse us of tricking you, tricking this conversation, etc.
Understand you need to address what is stated, not what you wish we said, not the argument you want to happen, and that you have your own responsibilities for your own words. No amount of sidebars, moral condemnations, or accusations of Shariah Law are going to change this.
Sounds like a subjective query: what is the “essence” of a WoW Expansion? Vague terms, vague metes and bounds, vague everything. It really isn’t interesting to rank order them since it doesn’t matter.
Point out an actual limit, otherwise this statement is not only false but knowingly presented as false.
This doesn’t even follow. Some changes just means some changes. It isn’t an ought. It isn’t a compulsion. When you create a false dichotomy filled with one (seemingly) reasonable choice and one absurd nonsensical choice, you don’t actually recreate the logical ends of the problem, you just look like a dumb pundit cheering for a side.
Also this.
Yes, and I don’t need it to solve a problem or fill a necessity to want to add it. I’ve been 100% consistent on this.
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You’re damn right it’s subjective, just like most of everything you’ve had to offer in this discussion. It’s not anyone else’s problem that you can’t fathom dual spec as inherent to WOTLK, though.
It was added in Ulduar…it was a pretty defining feature of the expansion…and yeah, I don’t know what else to tell ya bud.
Yeah, I don’t need to do that just because you order me to. Knowing there is a limit does not need to mean I know what their limit is. None of us know what their limit is, but the limit existing is definitively, undeniably, unfalsifiable.
Your input is rather unnecessary in this regard. The limit exists regardless of your expectations or presumptions of what that limit is.
I mean, it follows, but I’m sorry you’re having trouble understanding it.
What is your reason for wanting it?
I would find that to be somewhat hypocritical because they do readily imply they’re being forced to not enjoy themselves because Blizz wont cave to their whims.
Well thats great because then you might also understand you cant always get what you want. But I appreciate the candor, reading all the utopian manifestos on dual specs does get stale.
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You’re not making sense. Let me try this again:
Do you know of anyone playing this game for any other reason other than because they want to play it?
Because last I checked, this game isn’t the same as running to the store to buy supplements for lack of nutrition. People do that because they need to.
It would therefore follow that if anyone is asking for any changes in this game, it’s because they’re associating that with a want and not a need.
Sure, but most people just want it for the convenience facet, which still has some knock-on effects on things like doing PvP, or freely Tanking more often, etc. It isn’t big, it isn’t widespread, but there are some benefits. Mostly though Dual Spec is exactly what GC himself called in during Wrath: a convenience.
Retail is full of convenience.
Go there.
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Dual spec would be dope.
Seems like a no brainer, not sure why we have to wait until LK just because that is when they got around to solving the problem.
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Again.
this is not a problem.
It is a major concept of the game being a MMORPG.
Dual spec ins’t a solution.
A solution requires a problem.
There is no problem which solution would be dual spec.
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WoW Classic has #NoChanges.
Go there.
Former is true, latter is false.
This is false and hilarious given you just proclaimed the topic subjective. If the idea of what makes something intrinsic/inherent/emblematic/etc of an expansion is entirely subjective, I can fathom it just fine: I JUST HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO ACCEPT IT UNTIL IT IS PROVEN AS TRUE
Just because you hold an opinion doesn’t mean we have to respect your opinion, and I certainly don’t have to treat it as valid.
Prove a limit of any kind exists, not a specific one, just that a limit exists at all. Point still stands.
Asserted without support, disregarded. I also love that the “limit” has become something that just “is” and we’re dangerously close to it being just axiomatic. For such a rational person you sure do hold a lot of unsubstantiated beliefs…
It doesnt.
Convenience.
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I disagree, I think it is a problem if I actively decide to log off because I can’t pvp until after my raid.
Please elaborate.
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It’s not false. Your posts are available for all to read. Your input has been subjective.
Correct, which is why people don’t feel guilty disregarding yours, predictably.
There’s no scientifically known instance of infinite in this entire universe, Fasc. Given that, it’s likely that Blizzard’s threshold for what they will add is also not infinite.
This would be in the realm of fact, not opinion, that you still likely won’t accept because as we’re all able to plainly see every time you say anything, you live in the realm of your own opinion so closed off that you believe everything you say to be fact.
You disregarded it without any sort of sensible argument. I disregard your disregard then, sorry but this will continue to stare you in the face until you have an answer for it.
It do.
Go to retail, there’s lot of that there. You can even solo BT and Hyjal now, and we don’t even have that content yet.
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Again, you’re telling me its a foregone conclusion that people only play this because they want to but their words in the posts themselves belie something else entirely. If people are not coming right out and saying it (and they are), they are implying that they are oppressed victims of a ungrateful tyranny and I don’t know anyone who truly wants that. When they’re not doing that, they’re telling you dual specs will solve world hunger.
Which is why I advocated for the honesty is the best policy route because who really expects to be rewarded for those types of shenanigans?
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Since when have you NOT been subjective about anything you’ve said? Pot calling the kettle black here.
This is just plain rudeness. You say “people” but you’re just speaking for yourself and maybe one or two other people–if I’m to be generous.
That’s the only position you stand on is rudeness and disrespect to people who disagree with you. And you want others to respect your opinion regardless? That’s just plain hypocritical.
Makes me all the happier I boosted this character. You really must hate people like me. But you can’t do anything about it, can you? The boost is here and it’s here to stay in a #SomeChanges TBC Classic! 
You just keep becoming more and more ridiculous with everything you say. That’s all this is. It’s like a child at the playground saying he is Superman and you can’t tell him what to do.
No, you can go to WoW Classic and take your #NoChanges with you.
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No. They don’t. People ask for stuff because they want what they ask for. There is no ulterior motives. There’s nothing else to it. We play this game because we want to. It therefore follows we ask for things because we want things.
