I think that those who Main SV hunter whether it is pve and or pvp are overall happy with the spec, yes there are definite issues but I don’t think there was a very large outcry of “revamp this spec, we need 6 new talents etc…” - that is of course if you ignore the make sv ranged again crowd. If we are going to go down the whole “make SV ranged again”, then that is never ending rabbit hole which I do not want to touch.
Perception seems to be the same as it ever was i.e… “unless melee does top tier dps and or brings X raid buff, we are going to bring the minimum amount of melee dps as possible because blizz loves designing mechanics which bend over melee more than giving the finger to ranged dps”- which honestly I don’t think is SV problem, but rather how a game design flaw of how blizz designs pve encounters. That is even if MSV did top damage and brought some unique debuff, you will still have raids bringing the minimum amount of melee dps because of game design.
Overall if you enjoy BFA SV, then you will enjoy SL SV and if you don’t enjoy BFA SV, well Shadowlands will certainly not convert you.
Hmm, that is a bit of a kick in the shins there. And sorry for putting you in that position — spitballing out something that doesn’t necessarily appeal to you personally. And, ofc, thanks a bunch for typing this out for me. Much obliged.
Personally, I do want a marginally hybridish 3rd spec for DH, mostly because I enjoy Havoc for that short while it takes to get it damn near optimal generally, and then that bit more on a fight-by-fight basis, and then I get bored again. Aesthetically, it’s great — not exactly my cup of tea, but all the more objective parts of polish and so forth it’s got solidly — and the systems are… pretty satisfying. It just feels a little… barren, on the whole.
Getting to play with that kind of mobility and legacy in a more demanding and tactically- or technically-minded third spec, though? I’d be sold damn quick. Leather is usually my favorite aesthetic, despite my favorite specs usually being found in mail or plate. More than that though, I could just see some of my favorite playflows intersecting brilliantly in a 3rd DH spec.
If we are talking forum perception its:
People who want RSV back vs people who Like MSV. On the forums no real conversation can be had about real SV improvements without the RSV fans coming in with their derivative 2 cents. Then after them comes a somewhat mild discussion on things that could be added followed by inevitable SV should be a healer or a tank troll.
SV in game is basically “Omg you play SV?”. For the most part I don’t experience any toxic stuff from other players or people in my guiild for playing SV but when i do its from other hunters.
SV in discord, esp on the trueshot lounge basically have the best discussions on actual SV critiques and good improvements. The current state seems to be talks about how underwhelming the tuning for covenants are and how uninteresting the legendries are for all hunters.
I actually want to have a melee alt this expansion and I’m either going to go ret or I might dust off my SV hunter, since I have mained hunter for so many years.
Well, that’s not really a good retort. Anyone who has been here long enough to remember RSV has also been here long enough to see all sorts of changes and to have had plenty of time to play multiple classes and specializations.
And these are subjective.
My subjective opinion is that melee Beast Mastery would be interesting with a fun theme particularly because that theme: would allow for a better distribution of damage between player and pet, fully embrace the primal-savage-bestial hunter fighting alongside their loyal companion (with dramatically better animations), and remove (for me) the immersion breaking elements of jumping into traps, throwing bombs at my feet/loyal companion, and pulling a steering wheel sized crossbow out of my bum then sticking it back in again in ~1 second.
I really miss RSV. I don’t care if MSV is a thing. As a matter of fact if we had MOP style RSV back and MSV was a thing I would definitely try it. As it sits however, until the spec I most enjoyed since wow vanilla returns. No thanks.
Gotta say the “didn’t try it” atgument is total BS here. I did try it several times. Hated it every time. Unless by “try” you mean attempted to get high arena rating, M+ keys, or mythic raiding. At which many mains of overperforming classes who love theirs wouldn’t even technically be considered as trying their main class.
Also just gotta say this whole Rexxar is the survival archetype thing I’ve seen in other threads is pure BS. He is and always was the BEASTMASTER!
Keep up the good work RSV loyalists. The day RSV requests and debates ends is the day SV truly dies for WoW.
Also just rename current survival to skirmisher ffs. Anyone trying to survive doesn’t throw bombs at themselves.
Well it is certainly more intersting than the various “lets make SV a tank spec”. The idea of throwing “healing” bombs and shooting stim pack arrows just seems so outrageous that I can’t help but chuckle.
Your responses to my comment doesn’t really accomplish anything, I don’t see the point of saying RSV has been here long enough to see all sorts of changes and had plenty of time to play multiple classes and specializations?
How does this remotely touch on what I have to say?
And then saying survival is very interesting is subjective while also giving your subjective opinion?
Dude, whatever. Embrace change and stop fighting it all the time.
Disses elements of survival you find unappealing I find very appealing and it isn’t really enforcing your argument or de-meriting anything I say.
Much more interesting to have a spec that uses various other hunter tools then just using a bow or whatever like the other specs, it did bring something new and interesting and a new element to express that og survival was lacking before.
This isn’t a subjective opinion, survival being changed from simply being another range spec made it interesting and stand out while giving it a plethora of other fantasy options then simply being another third spec that came down to shooting arrows.
The change was meaningful and it introduced new fantasy, but origin loyalists hate it and invoke all sorts of garbage because when it comes down to it, they hate change.
This is a reasonable argument. If I were a wow developer going into Legion, I would not have put any effort into introducing a melee DPS spec.
If I were developing WoW 2 from the ground up, I would definitely include something very much like MSV And RSV, and MM. I just might not have them all be in the same class.
Totally viable with some really great m+ builds. Having better options does not make it a bad option. There are just a lot of really great options. It is basically not AoE capped which seems really nice.
And yet it makes up one of the most popular arena comps at the top end with SV/feral/x making up the majority of AWC 2020 circut week 1 comps. It’s not the best of the worst… its an extremely well performing spec. We’ll see how that fares though with pet rez. It may suck in SL, we’ll just have to see.
