Uhh, that part isn’t true. One SV/feral on NA, two on EU. The majority of teams were mage/hpal/x. Also the top 4 on each region was mage/hpal/x, with one exception on EU being a DH/WW/Rsham team. The 7/8 remaining just played some version of mage/hpal/x.
Tbh while I agree with you saying SV wasn’t actually bad (I think it was good), what he said isn’t technically wrong either. Hunter prolly is the worst class for PvP if you look at it as a whole, but then SV as a spec isn’t the worst by any means. Think the wording of the argument is weird though.
SL pet rez for now though will make it unplayable competitively tho, I mean pet is super important as SV and yet pets die easily. If that wasn’t a factor the spec probably would be really good.
Ngl. Despite of looking like a simple spec to play, sv has it’s places where if you do it wrong, you will underperform.
I remember running into multiple sv hunters during pugs over this xpac where even if they had better gear, I would outperform them by a large margin… Kinda mind boggling especially when asking them about it the main reply I would get was “how dare you question me”…
Like… Seriously???
Out of the total teams 3/16 were Jungle, the, Golden Guardians mainly was Rogue Spriest (sometimes they had rogue lock and rogue mage w/ minimal success in the circuit).
First off, the length of posts wasn’t part of the argument.
Second, in most cases such as the one’s you mention, that is usually because at that point, some MSV fan have already posted some illogical justification for MSV over RSV or how RSV had no place being it’s own spec, etc. etc. It’s perfectly fine at that point for counter-arguments to be posted as well.
In other cases, where RSV-posters join in earlier, that usually happens because of the OP itself. How it in certain ways reference/points at RSV or just the history of SV. Such as when people start a topic by posting about “how they should design SV to have both a ranged option and a melee one so both sides can be happy”.
Is it always like this? No, ofc not. Sometimes certain posters join in even when the topic/discussion is not on that particular subject.
This however, is the case for both sides. Not just for MSV-topics.
And…
In literally every single topic which is pro-RSV in some way(even if it’s solely about adding it as a 4th spec) there are MSV-fans which join in to spout their usual stuff.
Compare that to the opposite side. Not every MSV-topic has RSV-fans in it. But EVERY RSV-topic has MSV-fans in it.
I really cant refute this, because its pretty absolute. But I would love to see a link to one MSV thread that doesnt have msv hate from the RSV side.
That said, I have no desire to go through every RSV thread to find one without MSV vitriol imbedded within. I will say, and it may be my imagination, that I dont think Ive ever read an RSV thread that didnt do exactly what you accuse MSV threads of doing, including 4th spec arguments. They typicslly stsrt out something like “Bring back RSV as a 4th spec- MSV is wildly unpopular with almost zero representation in any content save a small meaningless niche in PvP, but these arguments are always met with a lot of opposition from MSV supporters who I just wrongly accused of not existing, so I am proposing that RSV be brought back as a 4th spec for all the real hunters who dont like the other two ranged specs, which deserve no criticism because they still use bows.”
Ok well this post spiraled out pretty bad. Survival is fun if not a little hectic at times from my meager experience. I was going to main beast mastery for SL but now I’m seriously considering survival now as it is a blast to play with a great level of complexity to it
Tbf, what’s any more complex about Precise Shots and timing around Rapid Fire than maintaining Barbed Shot and Beast Cleave while minimally delaying Kill Command?
Outside of fight-specific interactions or running both Mongoose Bite and Wildfire Infusion (though idk why one would take it over Birds of Prey), they’re all… pretty even in terms of complexity, I would think?
I would like survival hunter so much more if I didn’t have to use mongoose bite. Like if they balanced the talents enough to where I didn’t have to take it I’d legit play the spec more often for sure.
PvE is just being familiar enough with the encounter mechanics
But in PVP there’s more depth to the specs or how their damage interacts with other specs/players so it can make rotations have more complexity
SV can be way more interesting in how you choose to deal damage in say a PvP environment, but in PvE the rotation is much simpler, just really GCD heavy
I think its pretty clear that Blizzard agrees, but they are reluctant to nerf Mongoose due to the popularity of the mechanic. That is the only reason that I can see for not making the ability baseline.
They moved it to the talent tree in BfA because of feedback that peeps didn’t like Mongoose Bite, and that that mechanic was one of the primary reasons people wouldn’t play the spec.
Ahh, understood. Usually when people say “BM is too simple” they seem to be looking at it from a PvE perspective, so my mind just clicked over to those parameters exclusively.
While thats true, and remains true to this day, people today do like mongoose, and many people want it baseline so they dont feel forced to take it. Blizzard is reluctant to do this for the reason you stated. And it seems clear that they would like the spec to have other options outside the mongoose mechanic.
This is a big miss. Skilled marksman can excel at accuracy or rate of fire (or both) when needed. Example: British rifleman during the First World War.