Realistic M+ Suggestions

[Lemonshark-dalaran]

@Akston-area-52

I just think if they added a version of dinar to already the easiest end game pillar gearing in WoW, there would be something tweaked to balance it. Less loot per run, etc.

but why? why does it need tweaking. the dinar benefits all for of gearing and doesnt need to be tied to m+ only. should it only be in raid and force people into content they dont like to play? or maybe pvp to force pve players into that content? or just give people two of them to use in what ever content they want to participate in .

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Daiza-gilneas

I feel this would be the simplest course of action because at the end of the day, people want to feel like they are progressing, and if they feel like they aren’t they are more likely to just quit and leave.

The reason I suggested the .5 patch is to give players some time to farm Hero Track or Vault. Like you said, people want to feel like they are progressing and I think letting people BiS out too quickly also leads to a faster decline in participation.

[Akston-area-52]

@Jelincic-kelthuzad

How many CMGs have you done Akston?

I got all Gold during WoD, along with realm best time achievements. Lost the special titles by the end though.

Yes, I wanted to brag about the only worthwhile thing I ever accomplished.

@Lemonshark-dalaran

but why? why does it need tweaking. the dinar benefits all for of gearing and doesnt need to be tied to m+ only. should it only be in raid and force people into content they dont like to play? or maybe pvp to force pve players into that content? or just give people two of them to use in what ever content they want to participate in .

Because I am not sure making m+ gearing even easier is the right call.

Raiding needs its loot acquisition completely over hauled. M+ doesnt.

Its fair if we disagree.

[Lemonshark-dalaran]

@Daiza-gilneas

The only real concern i have is from raiding. The easiest thing would just be to make it so you get a weekly cap and it’s designed to always be reachable by clearing the raid at any difficulty. But apparently Mythic raiding kills this because they apparently don’t kill bosses and just extend forever which means they wouldn’t get said dinars from the raid and would have to do M+ which they hate.

most mythic raiders dont hate m+ from my experience that said you could get it from lower teirs of content which would work fine for most raiders.

[Jelincic-kelthuzad]

@Akston-area-52

I got all Gold during WoD, along with realm best time achievements. Lost the special titles by the end though.

Nice, I got them all on gold both MOP and WOD on my Shamanzee main.

@Akston-area-52

Yes, I wanted to brag about the only worthwhile thing I ever accomplished.

Same tbh.

[Lemonshark-dalaran]

@Akston-area-52

Because I am not sure making m+ gearing even easier is the right call.

but what negative to this is there? its not specifically for m+ heck you could tie to the weekly quest for all i care. it would be used for all content so it would benefit all people equally. im just not seeing a negative at all.

[Daiza-gilneas]

@Lemonshark-dalaran

most mythic raiders dont hate m+ from my experience that said you could get it from lower teirs of content which would work fine for most raiders.

If that’s the case then that works.

[Nazarion-silvermoon]

@Dracarian-medivh

to remove mythic plus

No need to remove it. Just make it a separate game mode, that way people that enjoy it can still do it but it doesn’t impact that rest of the game. Return normal/heroic dungeons to importance and rebalance them as necessary.

[Daiza-gilneas]

@Sôsari-dalaran

The reason I suggested the .5 patch is to give players some time to farm Hero Track or Vault. Like you said, people want to feel like they are progressing and I think letting people BiS out too quickly also leads to a faster decline in participation.

I mentioned my solution for this; the dinar gear would be designed to just be stat sticks that is inferior to the actual Hero track drops.

Now how they go about this, I don’t know. But from personal experience, my group didn’t even make it to the .5 patch before they reached the conclusion that RNGesus wasn’t worth their time and they checked out.

[Penderghast-stormrage]

@Sôsari-dalaran

Allow items to be upgraded to the next track with enchanted crests up to Hero Track.

This would be an amazing change if it went to mythic track. Trying to keep the best gear out of the hands of most players is one of the main reasons M+ has received so much negative feedback lately. The 8-10 gear void feels so bad. There are weeks when players have full heroic gear, but they’re stuck running 9’s and the vault ends up being completely useless. Mythic track should be more accessible in M+ and heroic raids.

All of the other suggestions are great.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Penderghast-stormrage

Trying to keep the best gear out of the hands of most players is one of the main reasons M+ has received so much negative feedback lately.

I hear the feedback and concerns, but the problem is that M+ is infinitely spammable. If it could be upgraded to Myth then people will be BiS by week 2. It would be entirely unfair for raiders who are stuck with weekly lockouts and most of them won’t get 8/8 Mythic vault or drops.

Another thing to remember is that crafting allows players to get 636 by running +8s.

[Dracarian-medivh]

Solid option.

[Shashe-llane]

Great post sosari. I know many dislike the idea, but adding a mythic 0 to group finder may help inspire players to give it a go. The level difficulty jump from heroic to mythic is still too steep imo too. I just wish it was a bit more approachable for players who are interested.

A small difficulty adjustment at the start and a way to get people in would be pleasant. It is almost sort of intimidating as it is if you haven’t tried a mythic before and don’t have somebody to go with.

[Akston-area-52]

@Nazarion-silvermoon

No need to remove it. Just make it a separate game mode, that way people that enjoy it can still do it but it doesn’t impact that rest of the game. Return normal/heroic dungeons to importance and rebalance them as necessary.

What does this even mean?

N/H dungeons were never important. You did them enough to raid, then ignored them.

Why do you want to return to “raid or die” and make WoW much less accessible?

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Shashe-llane

adding a mythic 0 to group finder may help inspire players to give it a go

I’m all for M0 being queued. It works because in M0 each boss drops loot whereas M+ is only end-of-dungeon.

What they should really do is remove queued Heroic Dungeon buffs and make it so there’s an actual difficulty ramp from difficulty levels.

[Akston-area-52]

@Sôsari-dalaran

make it so there’s an actual difficulty ramp from difficulty levels.

A smoother difficulty ramp would go a long ways.

[Raldor-black-dragonflight]

Remove it entirely from World of Warcraft. It’s not part of the lore. It’s a mini game. Make it a mobile game on it’s own.

[Akston-area-52]

M+ isnt a mobile game.

Get over yourself.

[Uncleruckus-darkspear]

@Dracarian-medivh

God forbid someone raise any opinion AGAINST M+ that would restore it to a previous and enjoyable mode

Good thing we have both now. Delves are the new challenge mode.

[Raldor-black-dragonflight]

@Akston-area-52

M+ isnt a mobile game.

I didn’t say it was a mobile game. But IMO it should be removed from retail entirely because it has nothing to do with the lore and has created a very negative impact on the game. I said, it is a mini game inside World of Warcraft. Like pet battles. However, I think M+ would be a good mobile game. IMO, this type of gameplay with a timer does not belong in a MMORPG.