Ready to give up

[Adamsmith-undermine (Adamsmith)]

This is a good reply Metrohaha. I’ll just add my two cents and say that while it’s nice to have lots to do it does get to the point where there are too many hurdles which does hurt the game and not help it.

There should be more of a flow to the game and not stop and go. It get’s very annoying and puts people off from playing not just wow but any game.

[Ughash-sargeras (Ughash)]

It’s pure laziness if you guys gate everything honestly. Just admit it your not looking for “players fun” just play time to go up. If you were looking out for “players fun” you’d actually make fun and exciting quests that drag us in.

[Lithya-sargeras (Lithya)]

When you do research on WoWhead, you’re de facto participating in the game itself.

I am on board with what you are saying but I take issue with this statement.

When you do research on WoWhead, you’re de facto participating in the game itself.

If I ever need to consult wowhead is to look up how to do something BETTER rather than figure out WHAT needs to be done.
Guides have always existed but they have always been complementary to existing in-game tutorials rather than a necessity.

[anon90251208]

Yeah let’s all fly at the beginning of the xpac and basically never see anyone ever because people just do quests and leave. No sense of danger or interaction, and you never get to see anyone.

So literally what happens right now except with ground mounts? Please

[Oldheart-emerald-dream]

So literally what happens right now except with ground mounts? Please

You can see people with ground mounts. You can quest with them, or fight em.

They don’t get to fly 10 miles above you and ignore the terrain.

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

My first toon; a human priest.
First quest go kill them wolfs.
A seasoned hunter ran up to me and said Ihe wanted to dual me. So I accepted and this wolf came at me and I killed it. The hunter sobbingo over his dead pet wolf. Saying I had to pay for it…

This is funny. Did he manage to extort some money from you? Or were you wise enough to just continue the duel and kill him?

[anon90251208]

You can quest with them, or fight em.

You can quest with people who fly as well, they make items that dismount people in flight so you can fight them…….

[Avellin-malfurion]

WoWhead[.]com has always had a nice page to track your progress on these achievements. They are able to do some nice interface that Blizzard isn’t able to do.

[Nerfessra-hyjal]

If your game requires that other people explain what is going on then you failed as a game designer.
What other game requires people to do this? Its insane.

Pretty much any adventure or RPG game in the history of… well, games. How long have you been gaming??? Not long I’m thinking

[Worldwarbane-area-52]

You logged into the wow forums to file this complaint but can’t Google info from 1 to 3 years ago.

Got it.

Next

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

As for your Legion complaints, I don’t think you’re entirely wrong. If you weren’t there to experience events as they unfolded, it’s probably pretty overwhelming to come back later and figure it all out. I think the devs may be able to do a better job at presenting older content to new and returning players.

I haven’t even taken a break from playing (for more than a few days) and I often forget what I’m supposed to do on my alts. Not sure whether to blame the game’s complexity or my own failing memory though…

[Dvis-kiljaeden (Dvis)]

They are able to do some nice interface that Blizzard isn’t able to do.

Blizzard is capable of offering the same tools, they just don’t bother. Wowhead uses the API built into the game to download character data for all its tracking tools. Blizzard could certainly use their own API to do the same – they just fail to provide this for their players. Gotta put more webmaster resources into the shop.

[Xándria-area-52 (Xándria)]

What I don’t like is spending my days off work sitting on the LFG tool trying to find groups to do the new raid and Mythic +.

It’s like playing a different type of game to get into a group to play the game and pay for my sub for.

[Deathpush-sargeras]

Flying is eazy and not at all confusing to get (if you can read and are aware of game tabs) but as far as flying goes it is just another system blizz did not develop but instead turned into another system in game that they do not use to create.
The STORM PEAKS was the start had a couple Raids in Cata but after this it was just an afterthought,atleast MoP had the Cap n Buy flying method still (should have never changed from this).
But back to my point Bro,it is not the quest that is the problem (RPG N ALL) but the lack of vision that is a problem,you are not really looking at the issues that make the game BAD,you are just asking for a compromise to a sht system.

[Dvis-kiljaeden (Dvis)]

What I don’t like is spending my days off work sitting on the LFG tool trying to find groups to do the new raid and Mythic +.

You can’t get people into groups you create as Vengeance?
Or you’re trying to get into groups as Havoc only?

[Xándria-area-52 (Xándria)]

Havoc only. I don’t really trust myself to play as a tank unless it’s timewalking dungeons.

[Avellin-malfurion]

That’s my point.

[Hizami-dentarg (Hizami)]

24 separate achievements plus 100 world quests.

So hard. You literally get 90% of them just by playing the game normally.

Explore achievements don’t even require that much work. You just ride around and find the places. Questing is easy as pie to. Do you just sit around doing nothing and expect to get the quest achievements for doing nothing.

The rep ones I can understand people not liking but the others just makes me think you’re lazy.

[Paidhima-spirestone]

I’m with you, and I think it’s probably a little bit of both. Alts can get confusing when they’re all at different points in their progression. But then I think back to when I played other games, and all the notebooks and notepads I maintained. I still have a directory full of spreadsheets that managed my progress through EverQuest. Ten years of tracking epic weapon quests, Vex Thal keys, Planes of Power flagging (yay flag fixing in PoK), dragon tags, boss kills in Gates of Discord, zone progress in Omens of War, Crystallos keys! I had notepads full of passcodes I would need in some MUD I was playing. Notes on FF7 materia combinations, keeping track of progress toward ultimate weapons.

I think of all of that and I’m reminded that this is nothing new. At some point, games just got too complex to keep track of in my head. It used to be strategy guides, notebooks, and graph paper full of dungeon layouts. Then it was spreadsheets, then Google forms. GameFAQs, Allakhazam, and WoWhead.

[Tharg-wyrmrest-accord]

There are so many other MMOs and online games that have wikis and guides for their content that are praised for it. Many of them don’t have extensive tutorials or hand-holding for returning players - they have to go and research what they’ve missed on their own. That’s just how it is in a living, breathing game that keeps updating over time.

Sure, no one wants to play researcher in the browser when they want to play - but unless you want to be completely ignorant of what you’re doing and piece together context clues from the content as you go along, that’s just what you have to do.