It was a generalized you. Not specifically you you.
So picture this. Me, 450, you, 480, 3 other randos 450>.
If i lose to any of you 4 on a roll, i cant get mad at anyone. It doesnt matter if it goes to you the over geared person or the under geared person. I was never getting it anyway.
The only thing that matters if i win the roll.or i dont. If i win the roll, awesome. If i dont win the roll, whoever it goes to isnt going to suddenly change that, so why get upset about it?
Why not? They helped kill the boss, they should be able to roll on the loot, regardless of if itâs for mog or upgrade.
the reason why people are annoyed and get upset is because the 480 with spec set to your role may be the one who wins the roll just above you and would have been your win otherwise and usually theres a few people doing it.
for instance could be 5 people rolling and 3 of them are set to tank / heal loot spec while being in a dps role, throws your win rate from 20% to 50% if you remove the off spec rollers. with how abysmal rolls can be the difference matters.
theres also the worst part of people just going in and needing then either selling the piece to someone in raid or just vendoring / DE it and it lets em win that piece again next time. the system needs to be overhauled or swapped back to personal loot by default unless the leader swaps it to group loot that way pug runs have a choice
Like what?
As opposed to the alternative where under personal loot other players got those items they donât need regardless, as did you getting one of the items from a boss you didnât need for the 5th time in a row instead of the 1 item you do. The only thing that changed is you lost a different kind of roll.
âwelcome to puggingâ
Fixed that for you. Random people donât have your interests in mind they have their interests in mind. Hell even players in guilds still have their interests in mind, but because theyâll see you again your improved performance directly correlates to the content that can be done and how fast it is done so gearing you becomes their interest also.
Yet in a run for the Amalgamation raid recipe those with alchemy rolled need but this guy without alchemy won the need roll⊠and it hasnât been the only time this has happened to players with winners then offering a ridiculous sum for its purchase.
Learn how the system works. If you donât have alchemy you basically greed it
iâm still at a complete loss as to why personal loot was removed for pugs and lower tier difficulties like lfr considering the player base could not have been more clear in their complaints about pure personal loot that it only really needed to be changed for fully organized aka guild groups, too me anyway reverting personal loot to group loot in pugs and lfr honestly just seems like it was done purely out of spite, in fact the group loot system was what was originally in place for lfr at its creation in dragon soulâŠand largely seems at this point to be presenting the exact same problems it did originally remember the old saying about doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result?
At the time Blizzard stated they did not want to create parallel loot tables for Raid bosses. Also, Blizzard wanted to completely remove class stacking strategies present in PL.
OrâŠit would have been whoever else was there filling the spot. The rolls arent predetermined. It doesnt give you a number when you enter combat. Thats not how it works.
Its not all elligible people:
Person A: 98
Person B: 91
You: 89
Person C: 77
Person D: 23
And you need person A and person B to pass so you can win. Numbers are generated when you click your choice of roll. Thats how and why ties happen
This is allowed because specific things are set to tank / dps / heal specs. And going that route means you forfeit your chance to the gear that falls in the other categories. Its a risk you take.
And nothing stopping me from being a kind soul and giving a piece of gear to someone in need, them getting a better piece of gear next boss and them DEâing it as well and having another chance to roll on it next reset
480 can still win loot in PL and changes absolutely nothing. If you dont win loot you dont win loot. It doesnt matter who what how or why. PL will not fix that.
no arguing with you here as you arent seeing the point. the problem is that you arent getting the fact that the system is broken also for letting you roll on gear you dont need just cos you want it / can roll on it.
i could be 489 M+ gear only and roll into a raid and roll need on every single piece because i dont have that piece in my bag, doesnt matter if im myth track, it still lets you roll on the gear because you dont own that specific piece of raid gear.
i did lfr earlier and even tho ive got a couple of myth track set pieces it still allowed me to need on the same slot LFR set tokens if i wanted to due to me not having the lfr xmog.
the system itself is broken and needs to be overhauled, they got it half way there with the last change when they reverted back to group loot but like normal blizz they just gave up
using your logic they might as well just do away with the loot spec system completely and let everyone roll need on everything and just say good luck everyone
Itâs a terrible system.
Also it could be exploited very easily.
If LFR wants to pretend raid it can use the same loot rules as real raiding.
The playerbase complaining are complaining about things that PL wouldnât even change.
And most players donât even know how the systems work so their opinions are worthless.
How else are Enchanters supposed to get gear to disenchant for materials.?
The thing you dont get is that the system is fair. If i roll, its because the system says i can and its not broken lol
Nah it counts bank slots too. And it absolutely does matter if its the same piece. Thats how the system stays fair because if you have that EXACT item but higher, you cannot roll. Different items = different stats = different priorities on needing
Slot and pieces are different. See above
Amd thats how you break a perfectly fine and working system l
Never been a higher incentive to join a guild imo. Maybe they want pugging to be a disaster.
Idk why blizzard has never considered making raid loot like how pvp loot was in Shadowlands.
Bosses could just give you a currency that you turn in at a vender for any gear you want. And you can upgrade the ilvl on that gear with a little extra currency and by beating some sort of feat. Maybe once you beat the raid at a higher difficulty. Or beat a certain wing.
i donât disagree that it was a terrible system, however replacing a terrible system with one that was proven worse in a pug setting long ago is not an improvement
PL doesnât stop anything you have an issue with.
The system isnât broken for letting people who participated roll on eligible items. Why shouldnât they deserve a chance at the rewards? (And itâs not even an equal chance given rolling restrictions)
Here come the logical fallacies!
Itâs not the same.
you need to take a dose of getting over yourself and stop inspecting other players to decide who you think is worthy of winning an item.
the game decides who can and cannot roll on an item, full stop.
This current system isnât the same as the original GL. Itâs been redesigned and is only similar in name.
And also pugs need to deal with the reality of being a pug. PL wouldnât even change anything.