Re-evaluate group loot in pugged raids

[Snozo-area-52]

@Wendellx-crushridge

As blizzard has stated in their blue posts on the topic, the system only goes one way for need rolls, higher. You cannot main spec need roll on something from LFR when you have a champion/hero/myth track item that matches your current role. Even straight duplicates aren’t possible to need roll on without a tertiary stat/socket.

This is 100% incorrect.

You can need on any item unless you have that current item you’re rolling for at the same ilvl or higher.

[Keksecute-bleeding-hollow]

@Snozo-area-52

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

That’s a lot of words for someone who can only manage to grey parse mythic.

Ahh lots of insults for someone who can’t refute facts.

My parses have zero to do with the topic at hand but it nice to know you can’t actually refute a grey parsing player.

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

Reread what I said and actually comprehend it. Warlock class trinket was the only outlier, perhaps rashok’s molten heart as well. For the majority (yes i’m repeating myself since it’s apparent you didn’t get it the first time) LFR trinkets<mythic raid trinkets.

I did and you’re wrong.

Hunter class trinket was also very strong and better than 447 trinkets.

That’s still not the MAJORITY. Waiting on you to prove my statement for the majority is incorrect.

Here’s a definition in case you need it.

“ ma·jor·i·ty

noun

1. the greater number.

“in the majority of cases all will go smoothly””

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

Why is it that players are permitted to grief other players by rolling need on items

Its not grieifing. Theyre permitted to roll in gear that dropped from a kill they participated in.

Unless youre sitting there simming everyone who wins every roll??

Because dropping 10 ilvls on a piece of gear with the wrong secondaries for the piece with the correct one is an upgrade. And itll probably increase my overall DPS more than the 13 ilvl gain would increase yours.

You lost a roll. Youre upset, questionably ut understandably so i guess. And instead of accepting the facts, youre weak of mind and have to lash out with false accusations and projection of lack of moral compass and a feeling of entitlement.

You lost a roll dude. You didnt win it. Even if the 480 guy who won the roll wasnt there, and in place of him was someone who was 424 and “totally deserving and needing” of the loot…you still wouldnt have gotten it. So whats it matter WHO got it. It wasnt you and thats all that matters

[Wendellx-crushridge]

I see how my wording would cause confusion, but it is not “100% incorrect”.

You cannot need roll on cloth as a warrior.

You absolutely cannot roll on a duplicate piece of gear for something you already have unless it’s an upgrade in some way.

If two of the same item drop you can need roll on both, but if you win one it will remove your roll from the other. Which is the same as if you never rolled need on one of them.

[Keksecute-bleeding-hollow]

@Grizzle-eredar

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

Why is it that players are permitted to grief other players by rolling need on items

Its not grieifing. Theyre permitted to roll in gear that dropped from a kill they participated in.

Unless youre sitting there simming everyone who wins every roll??

Because dropping 10 ilvls on a piece of gear with the wrong secondaries for the piece with the correct one is an upgrade. And itll probably increase my overall DPS more than the 13 ilvl gain would increase yours.

You lost a roll. Youre upset, questionably ut understandably so i guess. And instead of accepting the facts, youre weak of mind and have to lash out with false accusations and projection of lack of moral compass and a feeling of entitlement.

You lost a roll dude. You didnt win it. Even if the 480 guy who won the roll wasnt there, and in place of him was someone who was 424 and “totally deserving and needing” of the loot…you still wouldnt have gotten it. So whats it matter WHO got it. It wasnt you and thats all that matters

You took my question out of context. Quote the whole thing or not at all. You’re also responding out of context, the above sentiment applies.

[Keksecute-bleeding-hollow]

@Wendellx-crushridge

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

That’s what happened. I’d have loved to screenshot it but I didn’t consider it at the time.

Then you should submit a bug report because the system should not allow that happen. Are you certain that the piece of gear you saw someone already had wasn’t a “mythic” item that comes out of the vault for doing heroic dungeons? Blizzard’s terminology is quite confusing because there’s “mythic” (meaning mythic 0 dungeons) gear, “mythic+” and a “myth upgrade track” from mythic raids.

As blizzard has stated in their blue posts on the topic, the system only goes one way for need rolls, higher. You cannot main spec need roll on something from LFR when you have a champion/hero/myth track item that matches your current role. Even straight duplicates aren’t possible to need roll on without a tertiary stat/socket.

I think you can roll need on a drop that’s a lower upgrade track when it’s considered “off-spec” for your current role in LFR. But that would only happen if no one else rolled need who’s loot spec matched their role in LFR. E.g. I queue as DPS, but have my loot spec set to prot, I can need roll on 2-h DPS weapons but at a lower priority than someone who queued as DPS with a DPS loot spec.

Yes, I understand the differing item level tracks for items. Maybe it is a bug, I’m not sure. Either way it already happened and at this point i’m sure there’s not much to be done.

[Snozo-area-52]

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

That’s still not the MAJORITY. Waiting on you to prove my statement for the majority is incorrect.

Actually originally you said zero. Then you backtracked and moved the goalpost after I gave an actual example.

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

Here’s a definition in case you need it.

“ ma·jor·i·ty

noun

1. the greater number.

“in the majority of cases all will go smoothly”

Like I said.

@Snozo-area-52

In stead of trying to sound smarter than you are

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

You took my question out of context

No i didnt. You just ramble on about nothing after that. It boils down to YOU thinking they dont NEED it because you feel ENTITLED

[Snozo-area-52]

@Wendellx-crushridge

I see how my wording would cause confusion, but it is not “100% incorrect”.

You are incorrect.

@Wendellx-crushridge

You cannot need roll on cloth as a warrior

This is such basic knowledge I didn’t think I needed to address it because we are discussing “need rolls”

@Wendellx-crushridge

You absolutely cannot roll on a duplicate piece of gear for something you already have unless it’s an upgrade in some way.

If two of the same item drop you can need roll on both, but if you win one it will remove your roll from the other. Which is the same as if you never rolled need on one of them

Which is literally what i said.

It doesn’t matter if the slot is a downgrade in what you have. If it’s not the exact names item you can roll need.

You’re statement about not being able to roll on a lower track item because your equipped is higher is incorrect.

[Sarama-firetree]

@Wendellx-crushridge

You absolutely cannot roll on a duplicate piece of gear for something you already have unless it’s an upgrade in some way.

Is not the same as

@Wendellx-crushridge

You cannot main spec need roll on something from LFR when you have a champion/hero/myth track item that matches your current role

So, if you’re correcting yourself, you’re correct about same item at lower level, but you absolutely can roll on veteran bracers X f you have champion bracers Y.

[Kentaurus-turalyon (Kentaurus)]

Would it be a nice gesture to pass loot that is actually an upgrade to those that need said upgrade? Sure. But no one is obligated to do so. Also, gear upgrades are temporary. Transmog is forever.

[Keksecute-bleeding-hollow]

@Snozo-area-52

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

That’s still not the MAJORITY. Waiting on you to prove my statement for the majority is incorrect.

Actually originally you said zero. Then you backtracked and moved the goalpost after I gave an actual example.

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

Here’s a definition in case you need it.

“ ma·jor·i·ty

noun

1. the greater number.

“in the majority of cases all will go smoothly”

Like I said.

@Snozo-area-52

In stead of trying to sound smarter than you are

My original statement said ARMOR not trinkets or item with special effects. Please learn to read before attempting to correct others.

[Snozo-area-52]

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

My original statement said ARMOR not trinkets or item with special effects. Please learn to read before attempting to correct others.

Trinkets are still considered armor

Please have a clue before you try to correct anyone.

[Kentaurus-turalyon (Kentaurus)]

Technically speaking, yeah. I don’t consider them to be armor though.

[Keksecute-bleeding-hollow]

@Grizzle-eredar

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

You took my question out of context

No i didnt. You just ramble on about nothing after that. It boils down to YOU thinking they dont NEED it because you feel ENTITLED

Why do you think this is about me and what I feel I deserve? Did I say it was about me losing a roll? You’re projecting. Numerous people rolled that all needed the item in question, the person that rolled had literally the same item but a higher item level/greater difficulty track.

[Snozo-area-52]

@Kentaurus-turalyon

Technically speaking, yeah. I don’t consider them to be armor though

They are even listed under armor at the AH and craft order vendors

[Kentaurus-turalyon (Kentaurus)]

I’m aware. But in my head, they aren’t armor pieces.

[Keksecute-bleeding-hollow]

@Snozo-area-52

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

My original statement said ARMOR not trinkets or item with special effects. Please learn to read before attempting to correct others.

Trinkets are still considered armor

Please have a clue before you try to correct anyone

If I were talking about trinkets I’d have said trinkets. Armor is armor. Weapons are weapons. The definition of armor≠trinkets. You came to this thread looking to pick a fight, and now you’re attempting to argue semantics. Pathetic.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

You’re projecting. Numerous people rolled that all needed the item in question, the person that rolled had literally the same item but a higher item level/greater difficulty track

Did you sim everyone who rolled for it?

And now i know this is a made up story because you cannot roll need on the same exact item that you have if its lower ilvl than you have

[Snozo-area-52]

@Keksecute-bleeding-hollow

If I were talking about trinkets I’d have said trinkets. Armor is armor. Weapons are weapons. The definition of armor≠trinkets. You came to this thread looking to pick a fight, and now you’re attempting to argue semantics. Pathetic.

Your personal feelings don’t overwrite what the game considers.

In the game trinkets are listed as armor and under armor in the AH and on the crafting vendor.

You’re wrong. Just move on.