I can assure you that LFR/normal track (and most likely heroic for 90%+ people) armor is not an upgrade for any class regardless of stat spread vs mythic track armor. That is the issue i’m seeing which makes absolutely no sense.
For the record, i’m fine with coordinated group loot being handle the way it currently is. I mythic raid and have been getting CE since legion and I have no issues with it. My issue is LFR, normal, heroic, and mythic pugs.
You would be incorrect.
Specific trinkets even at LFR level fully upgraded can out perform 489 trinkets.
So like I said. Just because YOU don’t think it’s an upgrade doesn’t mean it isn’t.
Maybe take a moment to reread what I said and notice how it says “armor”.
We all know trinkets don’t follow ilvl gains, as some are spectacular while others are mediocre at best. Armor on the other hand is mostly static.
99% of the time if someone is able to roll “'need” on an item it IS and upgrade for them in some form. It could be secondary stats, a socket, or a different upgrade track. Stop acting like you don’t do the exact same thing.
I don’t. This is where you’re wrong. I witnessed players wearing mythic track armor rolling need and winning LFR armor (without socket/tertiaries mind you) yesterday when I decided to give LFR a go on an alt. You know not what you speak of.
In stead of trying to sound smarter than you are take a second and realize that trinkets have some of the lowest gains per ilvl because of the lack of stats and the affects on them.
If a lower level trinket can be better than maxed mythic gear so can an armor
Piece.
The other thing to factor is is tier and embellishment needs.
End of the day you lost the roll. Move on
Again, another person speaking of something they know nothing about.
Trinkets have some of the highest gains per item level, you don’t know how to sim or quantify trinket quality if you believe your statement to be true.
LFR trinkets for most classes this expansion have not been worth using over mythic trinkets.
The specific instances I am quoting were a 1:1 head armor piece that someone rolled for in LFR, and won despite having a mythic quality tier piece.
you cant roll need on it unless its an upgrade of some form so you dont know what you are talking about.
I clearly know more than you.
Read what I said then Read it again.
Trinkets lack stat distribution just like rings and necks.
While the procs may increase due to ilvl last tier an LFR class trinket for warlock was hands down better than any 447 trinket period. It still didn’t have main stats though.
Incorrect flat out incorrect.
Ok and? They didn’t have it so they were able to roll beed on it. It’s not any different than pl.
Learn how the loot systems work before making a cry thread.
You would think this would push more people towards guild raiding.
30 people get almost 60 pieces of loot from a full clear. That’s almost 2 pieces per person per raid.
If someone wins something you want, they won’t need it next time. That’s the advantage of playing with the same people each week. You can expect that if they won it this week, they won’t need it following weeks.
With pugs you don’t get that consistency, you get new people every week who need everything.
That’s what happened. I’d have loved to screenshot it but I didn’t consider it at the time.
Yeah, don’t disagree with your sentiment here. I mythic raid with my guild but on alts we pug since we don’t have enough people interested in raiding on alts.
That’s a lot of words for someone who can only manage to grey parse mythic.
Reread what I said and actually comprehend it. Warlock class trinket was the only outlier, perhaps rashok’s molten heart as well. For the majority (yes i’m repeating myself since it’s apparent you didn’t get it the first time) LFR trinkets<mythic raid trinkets.
Sure you can. Not everything mind you, but as long as you don’t have the same item at a higher level you’ll be able to need on stuff that may or may not be an upgrade. (Which should be NBD as PL would also award you that loot anyway)
Screw you I got mine is the name of the game. Roll on everything you’re allowed to. I changed my ways when I watched a guy win a roll on a trinket he didn’t need and then immediately star spamming raid chat “starting bids at 100k” the moment he got it.
So… just like PL? Awesome.
I have never seen that happen. With PL I remember people offering things they don’t need that they won to others. That’s what I did and many others I happened to be grouped with did anyway.
You can still do that. But you don’t have to, because you can just pass on it.
If you want to argue that cross-server gold trading should be removed to prevent selling, that’s a different point, but you’d still have been able to sell something to someone on your server with PL.
Ahh lots of insults for someone who can’t refute facts.
My parses have zero to do with the topic at hand but it nice to know you can’t actually refute a grey parsing player.
I did and you’re wrong.
Hunter class trinket was also very strong and better than 447 trinkets.
Then you should submit a bug report because the system should not allow that happen. Are you certain that the piece of gear you saw someone already had wasn’t a “mythic” item that comes out of the vault for doing heroic dungeons? Blizzard’s terminology is quite confusing because there’s “mythic” (meaning mythic 0 dungeons) gear, “mythic+” and a “myth upgrade track” from mythic raids.
As blizzard has stated in their blue posts on the topic, the system only goes one way for need rolls, higher. You cannot main spec need roll on something from LFR when you have a champion/hero/myth track item that matches your current role. Even straight duplicates aren’t possible to need roll on without a tertiary stat/socket.
I think you can roll need on a drop that’s a lower upgrade track when it’s considered “off-spec” for your current role in LFR. But that would only happen if no one else rolled need who’s loot spec matched their role in LFR. E.g. I queue as DPS, but have my loot spec set to prot, I can need roll on 2-h DPS weapons but at a lower priority than someone who queued as DPS with a DPS loot spec.