I never said it was.
Maybe I communicated my point wrong. My point wasn’t that you have to sit idly while waiting for a dungeon. My point is just that there’s absolutely no interaction with group formation other than clicking a button, which is the opposite of what I like.
There’s no LFR, no arena soloQ.
Only dungeons and BGs have automated queue systems.
Your classic Andy-esque environment still exists, at my expense.
The removal of the LFG made finding VoAs a whole lot more difficult now.
Shall I start pressing for LFR and arena soloQ?
lmao what??
You’re gonna gaslight me too with feigning ignorance?
That’s why your arguments hold little weight in the end.
I haven’t. Please don’t speak on the experience of others.
I was talking about my preferences, not yours. (See: title of thread)
No, I didn’t “know” that, no one did. It was always a strong possibility out of a couple of different outcomes, but there was never any way to know that they’d put dungeon finder in the game after taking a strong general stance against it and at one point (albeit talking about Classic Vanilla) saying it will “never” happen.
Ever since the WoW token was confirmed, I was as certain as I’d ever be that it would be added.
lol
I wish I could say it’s going well for me.
Last night, I got into UK+++, the Tank was dual-boxing his DK that was just auto-following him.
The group tried kicking the DK and Pally but it kept failing. The Healer threw a tantrum and refused to do anything until the Pally booted his DK. The Pally finally folded and left on both characters after wasting 30 minutes of everyone’s time.
I just got out of AN+++ about an hour ago. It was a mess!
The Web Wraps from the trash before the first boss caused a wipe. The Tank cursed the grp out and blamed it on the Healer and then said our DPS sucks, then left. You know, the usual.
The replacement Tank didn’t say a word until the last boss. Where we wiped due to Web Wraps on the last phase. Proceeded to curse us out for being trash and attempted to kick the Healer. I initiated a kick on him due to his childish behavior and it failed. Luckily we did down the boss.
I was an advocate for RDF but I will give it to the Anti-RDF’ers that they did predict that this was going to be common. RDF groups just feel like Retail with a WotLK filter on it.
By no means do I want it removed. I just hope that Blizzard takes these harassment reports seriously and takes measures to alleviate the amount of griefing that people are experiencing.
Edit: I am also aware that the premade group function exists. The issue is that the majority of these groups are only accepting 5.5k gs to farm them. I was booted from one as soon as they saw my gs was 4.9k.
This is more due to the nature of the + systems than RDF itself.
Using the webbing as an example, you’re expected to stack, but some of those same mobs do 1-2 shotting AoE damage.
That confuses ppl to know when to stack and when not to.
Don’t even get me started on the icy slip n slide in Utgarde.
Except it isn’t. I’ve been running dungeons almost non-stop the last 2 days and not a single one has had anymore negative an experience than a couple deaths and then moving on with life
I totally get that. I was just answering the OP’s question about my experience using the RDF.
However, the mechanics being complicated aside - the amount of toxicity I have experienced has greatly increased in RDF compared to the LFG system.
Tanks aren’t bothered about getting kicked because they aren’t getting saved to the instance anymore and can just say whatever they want and/or just leave and requeue.
Yes, the nature of the tanking community is somewhat toxic.
They were the ones the set the standard for skipping and made it the norm for everyone else.
I like that RDF put an almost end to that.
I could’ve understood skipping certain dungeons b4,
But skipping the bosses in UK, where there are 3 total, and they’re right along the way, just seemed lazy and toxic itself.
We had to ask to do all bosses and every other tank would complain when we did.
And that’s your experience. 1000%
That’s not to say that this isn’t happening because I’m not the only person on the forums complaining about this right now.
Yeah, RDF does promote no longer skipping. I cannot argue with you on that because this was Blizzard’s goal. I’m just saying that from my experience so far. These are the issues I have experienced.
And your experience is your experience. As well, just as many people are also stating their experiences have been mostly positive as well
Point is, it is not a common issue. It exists, yes, but not to the point that the tool should be disparaged
I mean, I agree. It’s just the luck of the draw right now with who you get. Not all of my groups have been this bad. However, it’s the bad ones that leave the worst impression.
Also, you can’t leave if you’re still on cooldown or you will get deserter debuff either. So you’re just stuck there waiting for Mom and Dad to stop fighting or waiting for Dad to stop capslocking insults at you lol.
Anti-RDFers did say stuff like this would happen because that was one of the pillars they based their argument on so I think it’s silly to completely dismiss that because your group experiences have been rainbows and sunshine lol.
I just want people to actually report the people doing this so they can get actioned appropriately and hopefully learn their lesson. If not, then it will happen again and hopefully, they will get banned.
Pro-RDFers also said stuff like this would happen. Literally no one was under any illusion that it wouldn’t
The difference is Anti-RDFers wanted to act like this stuff was the only thing that would come from RDF, and as my own experiences have proven, that is a blatant falsehood
Only issue I ran into was being zoned into the “wrong” Gundrak entrance and having to do a lot of what felt like back tracking.
Glad skips are being disincentivized though. Was taking a few guildies through the ICC dungeons quest line and got a ret pally for PoS normal. Guy wanted to skip everything after gorfrost and threw a fit when we said “nah, the badges are still good for some of us here”.
Overall fine even if gamma feels like a waste. The tank buff is insanely powerful though, had a lot of fun with that.
Except this wasn’t their only argument. As I previously stated, it was simply a pillar to support their argument but it wasn’t the general opinion of every Anti-RDFer. There were other points they would make as well, such as:
These are all happening. It’s not breaking news. It’s just a fact. And yes, there were people doing stuff like this before the RDF. However, since these bad apples aren’t risking their daily heroic lockout anymore, they have a lot more freedom to get away with childish behavior.
I would also assume the few people who are “hearting” some of my replies indicate that they are also experiencing similar experiences. Meanwhile, yours are getting none.
The OP has asked people about their experiences. They are sharing them. Your replies are with your own experiences that seem to be positive, which is good for you. You’re also using it as a foundation for your argument against them to negate their experiences. That doesn’t mean that this behavior is not an issue. You claim that it is not but the numerous posts on the forum echoing similar experiences to mine indicate otherwise.
I’ll say it again - the only point I really wanted to make is that:
I hope players will continue to report this behavior and Blizzard will take appropriate actions on the players who are purposefully griefing their dungeon groups. Repeat offenders need to be banned.
Is that not something we can at least agree on??
Webs and glaciate when dps are clueless are the bane of healers… that’s always been the case though. Nothing I’ve experienced has changed regarding clueless dps. The old system was just as bad. DPS seem to only care about their parse and not actually knowing mechanics.
Good news. You don’t have to friggin use it.