I get the point, I do.
My point is that there are many “only ways to earn something” in the game.
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Which are all tied to the content itself, not the method that you entered the content.
My point is that if I go and do a heroic dungeon with 4 people and do not queue with RDF I should receive the same possible reward as those who do the exact same dungeon, with RDF.
And honestly it’s less about the Perky Pug as that was added specifically for the reasons you mentioned. I’m more talking about other rewads, the mount, points, etc
If you have a full party of 5, why wouldnt you use RDF? If you want everyone to fly out there, then have everyone at the meeting stone before you queue up. If you want the bonuses, just use the thing.
The only thing you cant do is 4 man it (or 3 man it, whatever). So the bonuses still require you to have 5 players, which could also be a metric they want to increase.
This just comes down to the core idea of not agreeing with it being a thing.
And like I said in a previous post of mine. I want RDF and will use it so yes I would do that in my case.
This is more of a compromise with those who don’t want RDF at all. There just shouldn’t be exclusive incentives for it, that’s all.
well that ship sailed 14 years ago.
What reason would you not que with RDF in this scenario?
For whatever reason, should you decline using RDF, then the rewards should be forfeit.
And I’d like to be able to get Invincible’s Reigns without having to raid, but that’s not how it works.
Look, there’s how many pets and mounts in the game that don’t require RDF? So because a there’s 1 of each attached to the tool it’s a big deal? Come on.
The drake should have had its original availability until rdf, so that’s a failing if the Classic team. It’s moved to occulus as an incentive for players not to bail out of the dungeon. I think that’s a good thing.
The pug is just a little pet. One dungeon a day for less than a month isn’t a big ask. Or maybe one day your guildies and friends aren’t around, and you have spare time so you rip out a bunch of random heroics and get it much sooner.
Giving little incentives to encourage participation is necessary. It means more people, more groups, shorter queues. If someone is dead set against using rdf, they miss out on one potential pet. Focus on the other 90% in the game.
I would, but lots of people don’t want RDF at all.
And this is where we disagree.
What reason should the rewards be forfeit?
I’d still be doing the dungeon unlike your example of Invincible not doing the raid.
With all of the uproar on the forums about wanting RDF I wouldn’t think there should be any incentive of needing more people to queue.
Because it’s tied exclusively to RDF.
And why should it be? Is the entire point.
Should we dock arena teams for using fotm comps?
Lessen the loot for raid comps stacking holy paladins?
How is this relevant? They’re not doing anything special to enter, nor are they receiving anything extra.
Now if they were receiving BONUS loot because they were FOTM or stacking Holy paladins, then yes I agree the bonus should be gone.
I think you just answered your own question.
Rewards for doing something special. RDF.
Except after RDF comes out it’s the default. “Doing something special” would be forming a group without it.
Should note here that the item you got for queueing lower level dungeons usually occupied the same slot as heirlooms (ie, shoulders or chest) so you never actually used it.
You’re right.
There should just be a I WIN! button that delivers all the pixels.
That’s literally what the rewards for RDF is.
I’m not at all sure how you think that was an argument.
I’d still be doing the same dungeon/heroic
In case you missed that part.
Guess you wouldn’t be getting that pug then.
Already touched on that.
So, what’s wrong with me logging in and getting Thunderfury for creating a toon?