Translation: Bloomsday cant argue against it.
Do you not know the definition of detrimental? Why dont you just answer the question instead of doing this tactic of trying to get out of answering anything?
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What are your thoughts on cross server leveling dungeons only?
I said detrimental because I thought you think it’s bad for the game, am I wrong?
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Remember when he said there was millions of players in Wrath classic and linked an earnings report and Wrath or Classic wasnt anywhere in the article or earnings report and then tried to say we couldnt read and then he went back to his hole for about a week or more? I remember.
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Bro, Jeynar and Kelliste are referring to the release points of these systems. Here’s three extreme examples, why do we have cross realm battlegrounds? That was added in 4.3.0 (cataclysm).
Why do we have mercenary mode? This was added in patch 6.2.2 (WoD)
Why did we have dual spec from the start of wrath classic when that was added in patch 3.1.0? (Wrath)
Why is RDF the outlier here when everything else is from an expansion or 3 out?
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It was in one of their stupid streamer interviews so no, I can’t cite it precisely cause there’s too many hours of that nonsense to go through.
He did, however, tweet this:
If he wasn’t “the only opponent” that means that a lot of folks weren’t with him.
Yada yada semantics argument, but you know, you ain’t willing to teach me what you’re saying so you can bloody well go find the interview yourself.
And you should watch this interview as well where he oversells the new LFG tool massively as well:
Making the tool “encourage conversations like who tanks” while having literal role buttons there? Yeah, k. He also mentions how it’s a contentious topic on the development team at the time (pre-release).
Side note; holy hell, he goes through that bloody Wailing Caverns story in every single interview I’ve watched through so far to find the exact quote.
I’ll get back to you if I find the exact quote. He never has an interview without saying it’s not a unanimous decision so far though. And even back when he was there they were opening up more to RDF, by his words.
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Oh my lord I had forgotten the earnings report thing already lmao 
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Wrath classic probably peaked for the retail mount give away to break over 1 million.
BUt, yeah…they left after. That mount was worth a quick run of the DK story. Hell that mount to my eyes was better than slime kitty from raid really.
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That would have been over in pre-patch.
But realistically there are no “official” numbers released by Blizzard and they stopped that a long time ago in WoD when sub numbers took a nosedive off of a mountain.
We have watched the numbers being tracked through logs that the numbers have been falling. That was during Ulduar that people tried pushing as the best raid. So if the best raid seen a fall, no new blood is being able to be brought in, then its just a matter of time that the “classic” version flops.
Whats funny is if these anti-RDF people like Bloomsday want to say RDF killed WoW or led it to “retail” which vanilla led to retail so its a bad argument… whats killing Classic? Maybe if they made an honest representation of Wrath in the first place people wouldnt just go to other things.
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You already stated the exact reason, a rerelease of a game will by its nature bring in almost exclusively people looking for their nostalgia fix and it will inevitably be doomed to a steady decrease in player base. Nothing to do with the quality of the game, Vanilla and TBC Classic saw the exact same thing happen, although the junk blizzard is adding to wrath and stuff they are leaving out exacerbates the problem by directly alienating the intended player base.
This is entirely expected and one of the reason blizzard didn’t want to do classic years ago.
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I want rdf for all 5 man’s, with ilvl requirements for the different types. Screw these restrictions, just put it in and let us use it how we want.
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Basically. “retail” happened for reasons.
RDF fixed non level cap issues. even on grobb I don’t see massive lists of level 20 to 30 players runs. If like me…we are in WSG cta really. I can run that anywhere. even up to 30 bracket pops decent on cta weekend.
fixed server distribution too. some servers can have more levelers. I was OB now Atiesh. both to me seem to have people ride out their 80’s. I do. I have 4 80’s. They can have chores for hours to do lol. I don’t have to rush to the levelers really.
grobb of late is jsut an experiment with the now level 21 BE rogue.
If I really want sp game play (what wrath classic leveling is for some servers), I joined the BG3 hype train. It’s actually pretty decent so far in my hours here and there I’ve tried it.
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At this point I’m convinced anti-rdfers and blizzard wishes classic to die because they got what they wanted which is metrics for shareholders to say “hey look at how GOOD WoW is doing now!”
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FF14 is doing good, no way metrics show that WOW is doing good.
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All it has is logs. Via 3rd party.
MY sticking point with logs. that is per char, not account.
In theory if I cared (and had more skill) I could be +4 logs to wcl.
It’s Still the same, and one, account however. Here I find wow players delusional in a way.
see in eve we have made the joke for years when you see the game launcher say 40,000 people are logged in you divide that by half, at least. That is your rough estimate of real players in the game.
Why? assume 50% eve logins are alts. Dual box intensive game you see. For many things a 2nd account you control is really really really nice to have.
And unless you have done something wrong in eve, that alt is paid for in plex. Its playing for free lol.
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Logs/Wowcensus aren’t perfect or getting exact counts of players but they sure as hell will show trends in player counts. IE the steady decrease.
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When at least 60% of the players exist to only raid… The other 40% are either bots, leveling alts or struggling with the gearing game.
Edit: I can attest as on a usual day my guild is basically dead.
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Its so bad.
How bad it is it?
There is as strong twink team in the 60 to 69 wsg now. they will push to gy camp quick.
But, mostly, also 3 flag quick. A quick 22/23K xp at least for a 62 level. Ain’t no shame to my game. I can press cancel on rez to not be farmed as much on gy for 21K xp.
I’d take a dungeon for more satisfying xp , ofc.
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We know reading is hard for you, keep at it tho. You’ll get it down eventually.
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He’s saying that he wasn’t the only “opponent” of RDF. Meaning that there were other “opponents” of RDF – people that agreed with him.
Please Jeynar, I’m sorry but you really do need to read things correctly.
The lack of reading comprehension skills is starting to bog down the RDF conversation. I understand people not knowing how to read quarterly reports, that’s fair… numbers aren’t for everyone. But when one can’t even read their own arguments, this is starting to become nonsensical.
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I’ve never said otherwise?
I’ve said that even on the team it wasn’t a unanimous decision to remove RDF.
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