How so? How did you arrive at that conclusion without using your “its not in the game is it” line that doesnt actually lead to the conclusion tht you think it does.
So what? Its still a system.
No, im not.
Yeah, it didnt exist yet its still in the game while RDF isnt and the other systems came early, earlier than when they came in which destroys your “RDF didnt come in until ICC” argument. Why is RDF different from Dual Spec when both serve the same purpose of improving the quality of life of the playerbase?
The horror that I am treating quality of life systems as quality of life systems.
I have many times in the past.
But they are systems that improve the quality of life of the playerbase. Yes, Dual Spec is different than RDF. One allows you to do the content in a different role or style while RDF gets people INTO the content.
No you are trying to get away from them being quality of life systems for the playerbase because you cant argue against it. You have to do this “they are different though” argument which just doesnt work.
This is a strawman and its so blatantly obvious. Where did I say they were the same? I said and have been saying they are QoL systems and as QoL systems they should be treated the same. You have been trying to make it like I am saying they are the same system which is just a dumb argument to make on your part because its easily called out.
So answer the question. Why is RDF the ONLY system that is outside of the precedent set by Blizzard?
You dont have to eat them differently. You can skin an apple, you can just bite into an orange as well. You can make a pie with oranges, you can cover them in chocolate as well.
No, I think the issue is you.
ANSWER THE QUESTION.
No one said this. Learn to read… does that sound familiar?
So you’re just gonna repeat “it’s different cause it’s different” till the cows come home.
OK.
Did you know that every argument used against RDF currently was used against dual specs in TBC for those who dared make posts suggesting it?
“you’ll lose your identity”
“meaningful interactions”
All that nonsense. Literally.
That’s why those of us who have been around see right through it. It’s the same exact arguments every time except suddenly dual specs are ok but rdf is not.
OK so what is the functional difference between a BG and a dungeon?
So would putting max level epic quality gear in them as drops. Should we do that too?
If that’s all you can understand from my post, that’s on you. I’ve already detailed and walked you through my argument.
Who is talking about identity in regards to RDF? Who was talking about meaningful interaction in regards to dual spec? Is this just stuff you’re making up? And what would be the point anyways? Suppose what you said wasn’t completely made up – why does it matter?
I’m not sure why you are treating RDF and Dual spec as the same thing. Arguments for one are irrelevant to the arguments for another.
So tell me then, why did they do dual specs but not RDF? Why did those arguments not work for Dual spec but they did for RDF?
A BG is a PVP mode ranging from 20-80 players whereas a dungeon is a PVE mode ranging from 1-5. Do we really have to go over the most basic of concepts about the game?
I’m also surprised people still think they will convince me or Blizzard with weak arguments, fallacies, and name-calling, but here we are. Oh well, what’s done is done. RDF was not placed in the game before ICC due to it.
Have you not kept up with the conversation over the past two years?
Wow, I seen this coming from a mile away. If this is your entire argument that they are different because “they have different names” then you have no argument. If this is what Blizzard is “listening to” as you have gloated about them listening to you in the past and thats why RDF isnt in the game, then they seriously shot themselves in the foot.
That’s all you’re saying so yes that’s all I’m understanding.
That may be on me, but you’re the big shot socializing expert so failing to pick up someone who “misunderstands you” seems like a faux pas.
Is what it is.
All I’m reading, and I have stated it in 3 posts so far, is that you’re saying “it’s different cause it’s different” and from where I’m sitting you’re just repeating that over and over.
And it’s just not sticking.
So either explain yourself or live with that being what people see. No skin off my nose whatsoever. It’s already pretty clear what I think of your arguments.
It’s literally the key argument. The whole server identity nonsense?
So you don’t mind that the arguments you’re using has been used against dual specs in the past and no one has batted an eye it was in early?
Yeah, this tracks.
I’m treating them both as quality of life improvements to the game cause that is what they are.
Presumably because Brian Birmingham had a quaint encounter in Wailing Caverns once.
The arguments they’ve used for the removal of RDF has made absolutely zero sense from the Classic WoW standpoint, so that’s what we’re left with.
Yes please, if you think the amount of people is the main difference between BGs and dungeons I would very much like you to go over the basics of how one is “cool for random cross realm groups” and the other is “HOLY CRAP THIS IS GAME RUINING”.
What arguments am I using? Can you restate them to me?
Which fails and continues to fail to capture the nuance of what these systems do. Which is precisely why these comparisons have failed to convince over the past year.
You think Brian Birmingham had complete and utter control over the game direction? And no one else was allowed any say? Do you understand how game design works?
Things you don’t like =/= things that make zero sense.
I value my time more than that. If you don’t understand the basic fundamentals of the game, you’ll have to educate yourself and come back to me when you’re more equipped for this discussion.
I think Blizzard is part of a $70 billion dollar deal. Do you think having your product involved in a $70 billion dollar deal is indicative of a company “shooting themselves in the foot”?
No they actually dont. Some things can have different names but do the same things. Lighter and ignitor for example. These things are still quality of life systems something that you refuse to address. You keep going into these semantics nonsense about names and meanings and reading and making up bs arguments.
Why do you constantly ignore peoples arguments?
Are you calling me slow? That sounds like an insult to me.
What does this have to do with shooting themselves in the foot and not only that it has nothing to do with the actual context of what I said. Your answer to me saying if they are listening to you they shot themselves in the foot (because Wrath Classic is losing players whether you want to believe it or not) is that the have a 70 billion dollar deal?
Obviously, the problem is that you’re not even trying.
OK, now you’re just arguing in bath faith and I’m not entertaining it. Sorry.
Considering he actually came out and said it wasn’t popular with most of the team to remove RDF, yeah, that’s kinda implied.
Doesn’t matter if I like them or not, anyone who actually plays WoW classic can see that the whole pillar nonsense was just that, nonsense.
The social experience is absolutely no better off than it was with RDF and then it goes right ahead and pisses all over the “keeping the game familiar” pillar at the same time.
OK, but this is just you not answering questions yet again.
I think the deal is irrelevant to whether or not a company is shooting themselves in the foot.
Like, you’d have to go no further than a recent $44 billion deal to see this.
I engage as I please. Typically, I’ll humor some of the more nonsensical posts made here, just for a bit, but my priority will always be something more thought-provoking and intelligent. I’ve found the best strategy is to disengage when things start to become non-productive. I have no real horse in this race anymore because what I wanted has already happened. Sometimes you just have to let posters be alone with their arguments. I won’t be convinced by them and neither will Blizzard. /shrug
