I’ve seen premades like that twice, 10/10 ferals by a youtuber and 13/15 balance druid multibox. Both ended with GY camping them. I’m sure it’s happened in less obvious manners and I only suspected, 2-3 very high ranked players would probably make it feel like a full premade.
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You havent lived until you’ve been moonfired and starsurged by 5 boomies at the same time
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It was quite a battle getting them down enough where they didn’t just evaporate whoever they focused on. We had 3 healers on their target. I was on Raist playing Fear Factory, trying to get them to trinket thinking they’d all trinket if one did.
Yup, seems like a problem with no good solution.
I think gear is part of the problem but more than likely it seems to me, its just peoples outright refusal to play objectives. You see it in casual gameplay in every PvP game.
Of course if you get an entire guild making multiple pvp groups, then thatll also be a problem.
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Best way to ensure that someone is completely unreceptive to any valid criticism that may come their way.
People climb out of the lower Ilvls in a day or two with how fast gearing is right now. On top of that, BGs take 10-15 people per team to fill and take longer than arena matches which means longer queue times. I assume they would rather just have the fastest possible queues and hope things even out more often than not. Sometimes you get unlucky. Meh.
This happens a ton regardless of ilvl. People get discouraged when they are not handed a free win. Morale flatlines and one dude getting salty in chat because he heroic lept into the enemy backline and blamed the healers who were 80 yards away cascades into everyone whining in chat rather than making any attempt to recover.
Unfortunately, I can promise you that even on the most even ilvl based battlefield, players are going to get upset and make excuses. If it can’t be ilvl, it will be class composition or a map that favors one side or that their own faction (excluding them personally) is just awful and loses every match. People aren’t going to look inward or acknowledge that even though they are undergeared, their team mate is more geared than anyone on the enemy team. They are going to play like they are doing a PvE rotation on a dungeon boss, get killed as they panic and fail to press a single defensive cooldown, immediately rage in chat and /afk.
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I’ve tried explaining to players before who were trying to get into pvp that they should be using utility instead of just doing a pve rotation on a target being freely healed and their answer was “i thought i was a dps not a support? Should i not be doing damage?”
A lot of players need to figure it out on their own it feels like, and no amount of gear will help them there
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Ive had this exact response soooo many times lol. Also not focusing healers and just sending that PvE rotation into the DPS while the healer free casts all day on them.
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It’s hard for PUGs to play objectives when they are being farmed in the GY. 
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I flipflop so hard with my feelings towards pugs
On one hand i feel bad and i want to help but on the other its exasperating keeping them alive significantly longer than they should be living for and then sorting the board by damage and seeing we have 2 damage dealers and then 9 horde, and then the rest of the alliance pugs
what are you doing with your buttons while i’m pulling heroic hps on the group, pugs?!
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typing in chat about how our team has no heals
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Its like that at max level too. Lotsa lopsided BGs
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nobody is saying just give everyone max gear but there needs to be some kind of balance and another big problem is the whole premades all maxed geared running in on discord acting like there in ranked lol enough is enough
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I agree, it can be extremely frustrating to play randoms these days. I literally just got out of a bg where I was the only healer and we were just getting creamed from the alliance - look at the group make up and they were a Sargeras premade sigh. I don’t know why they can’t just mark all stats to the same ilvl in bgs - the game is here to have fun and often, fun it is not… Just frustrating.
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remove group queue from randoms.
do NOT backfill open spots, let the game expire with no honor given.
match each side with roles, 2 healers, tanks, etc. none of this 5 healers vs 0 healers.
remove deserter debuff completely
Why not? Idc either way, what i am observing right now in bgs is not a gear issue. Gear is like 20% of the problem. Player skill and adapting to this one shot damage meta + trading cds is like 40% and class balance is another 40%
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There is an intangible here as well. Gear is an issue not just because of the gear but because low health draws focus. Everyone can see the health of the enemy. Even people not on comms will all focus the person they see as the weak link.
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100%. As a side note I’m always surprised when i see people playing with percent healthbars instead of values and always wonder how they can stand not knowing if that 30% hp left means 150k hp or 75k hp lol
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That truly is a L2P issue. Blizzard can’t fix that.
people should be able to queue with their friends, just equalize gear in random bg’s that will help a lot with all the newbie and alts in greens.