Exactly. I’ll take a BK whopper with cheese. They wouldn’t fire the people responsible, we’d get someone following someone else’s order.
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Premades is a huge problem as well when it comes to lopsided matches.
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Because you can get from fresh lvl70 to competitively geared in like 3 hours, and splitting the player pool by ilvl would make queues 4 hours long.
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Yep, premades are a massive issue atm… If they disallowed matching a raid group (9-man premades) against a few groups of 2-3 mates in Random BGs this would alleviate the vast majority of the “quit moments” people are encountering in (supposedly) casual PvP. They could take this further by limiting groups of 5-9 to only match into a game against another group of 5-9, like they currently do with 10+ stacks. Groups of 2-4 will not have remotely near the impact on a match as the current 9 stacking honour/conq farms do.
My son and I have tried playing some casual BGs recently after I have returned to the game for Dragonflight, but due to us being grouped up, thus the matchmaker viewing us as equal to a 9 stack, we’ve come up against premade farm groups 75%+ of the games, where as when we BG individually we see these groups closer to 10% of the time.
…Also, one would think the above limitations would put an end to the RMT sales of honour/conq boosting in random (read: CASUAL) BGs… …Just sayin…
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You can’t queue with a group larger than 5.
People try and sync queues in groups for epic bgs, but I don’t know much about that or how many people are really doing that outside of a handful of epic bg communities.
Queue syncing is not prevalent in regular bgs by any means either. I’ve asked for any shred of evidence of this happening regularly and the best i’ve gotten is “there’s a discord in EU that sells random bg honor farming services to people who don’t want to pvp for the honor rewards” or some none sense
5 man groups yes, a ton of those. But not 6-10
The post above yours is borderline trolling tbh
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Oh yes you can.
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That’s not happening in randoms. That was a Shadowlands arena thing.
groups of 5 in a 10 man are ridiculous tbh, you dont need a full 10 to skew the outcome of a game
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Why do you still play this game? You are up and down the PVP forums about how trash this game is, so why do you continue?
paid for a block of months plus i have gold so you will suffer me, you will suffer me.
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Whatever floats your boat my dude.
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Just because everyone has equal conquest gear doesn’t mean everyone has equal experience or skill. I went into rando for the five bg win weekly on my evoker and I did about ten million more heals than any other healer consistently. That’s a lot of extra healing especially at team fights so it appeared lopsided. Even though we all have the same gear now days more or less. I was in my shaman and I saw a mw do like fifteen million more heals than us average joes.
So gear isn’t The issue.
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Do they though?
What % difference do we see between full Tier compared to entry level characters?
20% 25% 30%+?
Stack 5 fully geared toons into any smaller Battleground and these numbers start to multiply. Meta Specs (do they exist?) add some more %s to this impact.
Gear is equalized to those who have spent the same amount of time for sure.
What about the rest? 
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It’s easy as pie to gear this xpac. Pally hit 70 3 days ago and is a mix of honor and conquest with 2pc, and almost have enough conquest and catalyst charges for 4 pc.
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I can simplify this for you.
How many WSG are up during off hours? 1-2? Rough example.
Everybody in group queues specific at the same time. 10 of us.
Now we are at 50% chance of entering the same BG right?
Also with burner accounts on opposite faction do the same thing, but don’t accept queue when it pops.
There is a decent chance that our team will enter a BG which will start short, at least for a few minutes as backfill unfolds.
Advantage?
It’s not rocket science on how easily this game can be manipulated with group queues. Will it guarantee a win? maybe not. But without anything stopping these methods, nothing will change.
I will borrow a quote from Doors (a wise one).
Snake bites don’t happen all of the time, but we still manufacture anti-venom.
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At level cap? That seems very low. Off hours are on hours for other parts of the same game. OCE, LA, NA. I queue bgs a lot during NA est day time like 11 am or 2 pm, and I rarely see the same people.
The only thing we have with stats is xunamate which does rated. They accounted for 5,026 RBGs played yesterday.
And RBGs are queued much less than randoms.
Sub level cap? Sure, much less people, easier to manipulate. Epics similarly since they’re larger and have less of an overall pop queueing them.
But regular randoms? Possible but not as simple as that. And there are waaaay more than 1-2 instances of level cap wsg happening at once.
Obviously those who try hard enough and really want to will make it happen on occasion, but it seems like far too much work for what isn’t a sure thing.
My point is that is it easily done with the right steps.
There are actually several teams that do this 24/7, 10-40 players.
Which is also done with a higher population in the mix via EU where players are quite open about it.
My spec isn’t performing, Random BG’s suck? I don’t think so.
Something I don’t really see is how we can actually make Randoms better.
There are lots of small changes that would make a big difference over time for sure.
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In shadowlands there definitely was 1-2 instances at a time feels like between 3-5am EST, but it seems to have gone up quite a bit even now in the season
I queue mostly between midnight and 6am and player repeats have been way less common than before, which is definitely a significant positive sign
Also been getting a lot of 15mans when it uses to only be 10mans at those times, so that’s pretty interesting too
I just disagree on the easy part. It’s like getting xpoff into xpon. People do it, but is it that easy for most people?
I’d consider easy not needing much more than a google search or easily done, ie, low rate of failure. Needing to know the right people, the right way to do something, all that? Doesn’t seem that easy for most of the population that just wants to queue and play.
I’m not discounting the reality of it, just that I don’t think it’s that consistent or else we’d see it a lot more. I’ve never (knowingly) run into a group of full 10 in a random. Sometimes it feels like it due to getting wrecked, but otherwise randoms are pretty random.
That is interesting. Seems like a good sign to see more people.
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